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Revealed: 6,500 migrant workers have died in Qatar as it gears up for World Cup | Global development Over 10 years

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/feb/23/revealed-migrant-worker-deaths-qatar-fifa-world-cup-2022
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u/aljobar 7d ago

Fuck this entire situation. And fuck FIFA while we’re at it.

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u/catsofthetundra 7d ago

The deaths are "proportionate to the size of the migrant workforce" according to the Qatar government. Fuck that noise.

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u/bubbasaurusREX 7d ago

My brother in law worked on the new Minnesota Viking stadium as a safety engineer. They had one worker who passed away from a tragic accident by falling down the roof. It was the biggest deal for him and was pretty devastated for weeks about the situation. They ended up changing tons of rules and regulations because of it and it was all over the local news at the time. And Qatar’s statement is, “that’s about the right amount of deaths for how many workers we have”. What the fuck lol

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u/thungalope 7d ago

Yeah like what fucking metric are you measuring with?? “We usually have waaaay more deaths” like oh okay sound unsafe as fuck? Cool??

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u/karrachr000 7d ago

The metric is somewhere between slaves and kidnapped indentured servitude.

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u/MantisPRIME 7d ago

Working in the desert heat with no AC

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u/combatwombat007 7d ago

There are parts of the world where the mindset is just completely different and human labor is expendable. I used to work for a worldwide construction mgmt. firm and the head of safety worked out of our local office. One of our major clients (a tech firm) spent a year or so in SE Asia trying to help them improve safety at a few of the facilities they were building.

When he came home, he showed us videos of the things that were completely normal there. They would dumbfound even the most careless workers here. People died weekly on those job sites. He even had videos of people falling/being crushed by things. It happened so regularly you could pull your phone out at any given time and have a good shot of catching someone getting hurt.

No big deal. Clean up the mess and get back to work. Limbs and digits lost on the regular. As a young guy who'd never worked anywhere but in the US, it blew my mind.

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u/dirtycopgangsta 7d ago

Yup, any Romanian over the age of 50 who grew up in rural areas will tell you that if you're given a task, you'll do it, no matter how dangerous it is.

Even worse, you're at fault for getting hurt. Lost a limb because you're tired because you've been shoveling coal for 12 hours straight without stopping to eat, drink or piss or shit? Your fault for being weak, take some ibuprofen/paracetamol and do your job like a man!

Been out on the field hauling sacs of grain for 10 hours in 40°C heat and you slip and break your ankle? You stupid useless fucker, you're not getting paid because you've fucked up the entire "production line". Don't you dare insinuate your working conditions are bad, you're fired!

There's no such thing as "Boss, can't do it, it's too dangerous", because boss will fire your ass and get the next dirt poor guy to work himself to death.

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u/IridiumPony 7d ago

And this is why unions are so fucking important

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u/hippydipster 7d ago

~100 people died building Hoover Dam
~60 people died building the world trade center
~5(!) people died building The Empire State Building
~40% of Panama Canal workers died building it (you read that right - actually, there were 400 deaths/1000 workers, which doesn't exactly mean all the deaths were workers dying)

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u/behv 7d ago edited 7d ago

Ummm what the fuck happened to the Panama Canal workers???

Edit: ahhhh. Good ol malaria

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u/Syberduh 7d ago

Malaria.

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u/iamdan1 7d ago

Yellow fever as well.

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u/namotous 7d ago

That’s the sound of “We don’t give a fuck about these scums”

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u/green_flash 7d ago

The Qatar government plays a deceptive number game there. They say that 6,500 deaths over 10 years among a migrant workforce of roughly 1 million people is about half the death rate of 25-year-olds in the US and cite that as proof that working conditions are good.

They do not mention that migrant labourers are checked for pre-existing conditions in their home countries and have to be extraordinarily healthy in order to qualify for a job in Qatar. That skews the statistics, so that the expected number of deaths should be much lower.

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u/sublliminali 7d ago

I just looked it up, 88% of Qatar's population are foreign workers. That's insane.

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u/SUP3RGR33N 7d ago

That's a dangerous percentage of your population to oppress...

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u/FreshTotes 7d ago

Yeah they could literally be like qatar is ours now

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u/TacoNomad 7d ago

I don't think you understand how much they do not give a fuck about these people as human beings. They would happily kill them off and replace them. And I don't use the word happily lightly in this case.

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u/PersnickityPenguin 7d ago

Qatarians basically do very little work compared to the GDP. Source: had a Qatarian roommate.

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u/es_price 7d ago

I'm surprised they needed a roommate.

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u/TacoNomad 7d ago

Probably like freshman year in college when you're forced to live in the dorms.

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u/SaferInTheBasement 7d ago

And nobody born in Qatar has to work, when I was there it was third country nationals doing everything

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u/Xasf 7d ago

Please, a lot of Qataris also have well-paying government "jobs" for which they even show up from time to time.

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u/Imahousehippo 7d ago

To be fair we shouldn't make blanket statements over an entire population. I'm sure there are many working normal jobs, some have small shops on the corner, some are teachers. Not everyone living under a corrupt government is evil.

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u/Xasf 7d ago

I agree that any such blanket statement cannot be entirely accurate, however in this case I would guess it's actually quite close to the truth.

I've lived as an expat in Doha for some time so I have some first-hand experience, but beyond that Qatar has an unemployment rate of 0.6% and poverty rate of 0%, among its own Qatari nationals of course. And that's because the government basically does wealth distribution in the form of meaningless but well paying government jobs. It's almost like a handout, but with a job loosely attached to it.

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u/Hot-Butterscotch-918 7d ago

This. They have "other people" for work. Never themselves. If you've never had to lift a finger to have something done, how could you ever truly appreciate what has been done for you? Or care about anyone doing the work when you consider work to be beneath you.

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u/Nero1988420 7d ago

A small clip talking about this

If anyone ever saw that episode of Real Sports with Bryan Gumbel about Qatar you'd know how shitty the living conditions were for migrant workers.

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u/Walrus_Fighter 7d ago

Should be banned

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u/euanmac369 7d ago

The World Cup itself orr?

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u/JustHere2RuinUrDay 7d ago edited 7d ago

Yes. If we can't watch a bunch of millionaires kick a ball for an hour and a half without slavery and thousands of dead workers, maybe we shouldn't. Also the people at Fifa should be put behind bars.

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u/RamenJunkie 7d ago

I'm inclined to agree.

I mean how fucking hard is it to build a Football stadium that 6500 people died? Are they moving a mountain? Not to mention COVID, are there even going to be a lot of people in the stands? (Maybe more should there be).

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u/shesallright 7d ago

In 2010 my country had a bunch of stadiums built for the world cup and nobody died!

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u/RamenJunkie 7d ago

What?

What kind of 2 bit operation is your country running if it can't even sacrifice some people to the Football Gods??

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u/jrichardi 7d ago

Work conditions, malnutrition, lots of dashes of 16 hour shifts = dead people just trying to live a glimpse of a life.

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u/Benedict-Awesome 7d ago

Paraphrasing Louis CK, but you can get an immeasurable amount of stuff done if you have no regard for human life.

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u/VncentLIFE 7d ago

I can't remember a time in my life when FIFA wasn't completely cloaked in bribery or corruption scandals. Maybe it's time we re-evaluate global football.

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u/FallOfTheSystem 7d ago edited 7d ago

I agree but to your point, if we cant eat chocolate without child slave labor, then we shouldn’t, if we can’t play video games without slave labor than we shouldn’t support buying a ps5 or xbox etc... But most people don’t care.

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u/Schedulator 7d ago

Yep and here's how they do that. 4 beds per room. Two 12hr shifts per day.

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u/buongiorno_baby 7d ago

That's what Stalin did during the 5 year plans. Massive industrial projects had worker housing. While you worked, the person that shared your bed slept. When your shift was over you simply swapped positions.

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u/gregy521 7d ago

This is also used in submarines and some military barracks.

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u/ZzKRzZ 7d ago

So it's like sleeping on a submarine. Cool

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u/LunchboxSuperhero 7d ago

I think on subs you can have 3 people per bed, each getting an 8 hour "shift".

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u/RamenJunkie 7d ago

You get 8 hours to work, 8 hours to sleep and 8 hours to uh.... Go hang out with the boys at the strip club? Hundreds of feet under the ocean?

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u/BloodSoakedDoilies 7d ago

Movies, card games, reading, stuff on your laptop, etc.

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u/-Erasmus 7d ago

having worked on vessels i would hate a 8 hour work day.

12/12 is fine considering you have no commute, no groceries, cooking or laundry to do.

Of course im assuming the pay is commenserate to allow for plenty time of at home later, which it is in the oil indistry. not sure about the military

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u/DigNitty 7d ago

Submariners often train in other positions during their free time. They qualify themselves for more experienced positions.

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u/DroppedMyLog 7d ago

And every one of those could be some sort of porn

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u/MaimedJester 7d ago

8 hours of Xbox. You don't really get internet, so Halo split screen still lives 20 meters slow the sea. original Kindle is also popular because you can't bring a bookshelf worth of books on a sub.

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u/PortLionsKodiak 7d ago

I listened to 27 audio books and an unknown but large number of podcasts while at sea, and read the entire Foundation series too.

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u/ProductiveMuch 7d ago

The mile low club

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u/FlexibleToast 7d ago

You're probably working longer than 8 hour shifts. It's common to work long shifts when deployed. When I was deployed I would work 6x 12s.

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u/UpstateTrashPile 7d ago

You mean 8 hours shift of sleeping, so 16 hours working/awake?

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u/dekusyrup 7d ago

More like 16 hours of work and 8 hours on-call. When you live in an underwater nuclear reactor you gotta take care of business.

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u/tlst9999 7d ago

WE'RE SINKING!!! WE'RE SINKING!!!

Nope. I'm off-hours.

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u/Phreshness97 7d ago

*flips page “I’m on break”

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u/dsent506 7d ago

It's called hot racking

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u/whitehatdesign 7d ago

"Interesting.."

- Jeff Bezos

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u/bringsmemes 7d ago

also later in the washington post "super rich people should have more say"

in another newspaper "bezoz got another 2 billion dollar contract from cia"

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u/shoesrverygreat 7d ago

This was also commonplace in Germany (during the 19th century)

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u/ultrasu 7d ago

Wouldn’t be surprised this had been standard practice in every place that went through industrialization. No early industrialist was like “I want my workers to work 8 hour shifts and have the weekends off.”

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u/WhocaresAboutPie 7d ago

No one wants that for the workers now.

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u/SlothSorcerer 7d ago

Imagine the smell (I know this is the least of their worries.)

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u/plantmic 7d ago

Here in Malaysia (not saying it's as bad as Qatar) they put foreign workers (mostly Bangladeshis) on bunk beds in shipping containers. In 35C heat.

And the Malaysians still give them a load of shit for being immigrants.

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u/nafre2 7d ago

I lived in Malaysia for many years. If you're not a white immigrant, you'll be treated like absolute shit.

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u/almisami 7d ago

That's because if you're a white immigrant they won't let you in on a labor job visa. Too high a chance you're an investigative journalist.

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u/catfishtaxi 7d ago

Same exact thing in the UAE. No cauc from the job was allowed anywhere near the camps

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u/green_flash 7d ago

That's relatively normal for migrant construction workers in Europe as well. They use bunk beds and cram as many of them into an apartment as possible - to save on housing cost.

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u/SwipySwoopShowYoBoob 7d ago

Yep, my uncles work in Germany, Belgium and Netherlands on fruit farms and it's the same there: 10 people in 3-bedroom apartment is a standard in some employment agencies.

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u/Sunnysidhe 7d ago

Although it is illegal to do that in those countries. If they were inspected or reported there would be trouble.

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u/Loki-L 7d ago

Yes, this is a wonderful arrangement if you want to have cheap labor.

Also a wonderful way to spread infectious diseases like COVID-19 as we found out last summer.

But a few lives are a small price to pay for corporate profits, I guess.

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u/TheNorbster 7d ago

Not just construction, I did a summer of bar work abroad & it was the same story.

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u/bluesox 7d ago

Now that sounds like a fun time.

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u/African_Farmer 7d ago

Yeah even in the uk there are apartments where people sleep on the floor and bunk beds

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u/Xola_RS 7d ago

I was sleeping on the floor for last 3 years until last august when i finally managed to get my own bed

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u/r1bb1tTheFrog 7d ago

This happens with migrant workers in the US too.

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u/pvsa 7d ago

And steal their passports

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u/TacoNomad 7d ago

Just to clarify, for anyone that doesn't know the implications of that, they steal their passports so they cannot flee the country. Many end up essentially enslaved at this point, as the locals and local law enforcement treat them like shit. They can't cancel their visas or make travel arrangements to leave because no passport. I don't know if their consulate will help them, but where I was living for awhile, they did not.

The companies or families that sponsored them to come into the country basically own them, and trying to break contract was punishable. Here's a quick read about the Filipino consulate trying to help it's people. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-philippines-kuwait/kuwait-orders-philippines-ambassador-to-leave-in-domestic-workers-dispute-idUSKBN1HW1SL

Every few years there was basically an amnesty day, where you can go to the airport and leave without a passport or without permission from their sponsors. The government knows this is a problem. But the ones who leave will be prevented from returning to the gulf. So it's a big deal to cut off that potential source of income.

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u/Neuro-Runner 7d ago

And take their passports so the workers have no way of fleeing until they're no longer needed. Fucked up.

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u/MoonSentinel95 7d ago

This article might be an interesting read. It's about the less glamorous side of Dubai. Pretty old though!

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/johann-hari/dark-side-dubai-1664368.html

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u/MaterialIndividual 7d ago edited 7d ago

I had a cousin who worked as an "air hostess" for some emirati prince. Her and a groups of other girls always flew on the private jet etc. She got too drunk at some "work" party and apparently made a fool of herself infront of this guy and the party. The next morning she got a phone call from an assistant, while hungover. The assistant had her pack her bags asap, telling her she was in danger. The assistant had her passport and she needed to be downstairs at the hotel they were staying in 15 minutes. She was on a flight out back to the UK that day.

Edit: This was around 15-20 years ago range. Before Instagram and all that business.

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u/silphred43 7d ago

Was she really in danger or was that the way they fired her?

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u/vengefulcrow 7d ago

A little of A, little of B.

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u/sgslinga 7d ago

Those people really are entitled. They are wealthy “royalty” and consider themselves above everything. Google for UAE sadistic sheikh. Not to generalise everyone from these countries of course. But it’s part and parcel of the way things are.

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u/Stay_Curious85 7d ago

Its Dubai, do you REALLY want to find out?

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u/JustChillDudeItsGood 7d ago

My half sister did the same job for some “royal fam” out of Dubai, she would tell us how they would fly with their son to Southern Ca for violin lessons and come back after a day of music lessons.

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u/punnsylvaniaFB 7d ago

I took my clothes for alteration at a tiny shop in the heart of the city. It was tiny with two spaces for changing. When I emerged from my space to let the seamstress pin my dress for a better fit, I saw two ladies dressed in burkas before me. I live in a country with many races and religions so this didn’t faze me. They stared at me for a while before realising that I wasn’t going to be discriminatory against them. They handed the seamstress some designs and gave her a huge bag. They left without trying anything which was odd.

The seamstress told me that they were from UAE / Dubai (I forgot which one). They’d flown halfway across the world the night before to alter the daughter’s wedding gown and were going to fly back as soon as they left. They would return a week later to collect the gown and fly back on the same day again.

They were loyal patrons of this tiny city shop and had chosen to fly over because of the exclusivity. They could have afforded any luxury boutique but they wanted the privacy of being on this part of the world in this tiny shop.

I was the only person who’d been in their presence besides the seamstress. My mind blew.

Till today, I don’t know who they were and if they were anyone important. Sometimes, it frightens me to think of why someone would need to be that private.

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u/Dr_Blake_Downs 7d ago

I've had to live and work in the UAE numerous times. Usually for short term assignments, but the longest went 10 months.

Its amazing how western expats and citizens can ignore the living conditions for about 75% of the people working there. If you ever wonder how German citizens could ignore the brutality of the Nazis regime on minorities, just go to the UAE.

Its basically what Germany wanted to do to Eastern Europe once it had liquidated about 95% of the local population.

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u/heycanwediscuss 7d ago

I just don't get the allure of the place. Everyone is constantly blathering about China or Russia and go party and vacation in Dubai.

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u/No-Bewt 7d ago

dubai is the ultimate example of a fake veneer of richness so that everything under the surface is just fucking crumbling garbage because there's zero building regulation and it banks entirely on the builders' dedication to safety.

dubai is like the ultimate example of how lack of taxes, total deregulation, and very lax morals wind up turning out.

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u/ICantTyping 7d ago edited 7d ago

Dystopian nightmare. The people he interviewed are really justifying the soul crushing conditions these people were roped into through manipulation? Because a select few emeratis get 6 figure salaries, free healthcare, free education and a house when they get married? I cant believe that.

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u/galeej 7d ago

Fucking hell

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u/qaz_wsx_love 7d ago

You say that as if that's a strange thing in any country with cheap labour. All construction sites in China have temp housing built on the site itself with 4-6 beds in each tiny room with bad ventilation. No idea how they manage to survive in the summer heat.

All service jobs that provide accommodation are similar. They rent apartments and stuff it with bunk beds so there's about 16ppl in a 2 bedroom apartment. (They put beds in the living rooms too)

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u/inspectorPK 7d ago

I remember landing in Abu Dhabi in 2015 while they were building a whole new airport. You could see rows upon rows of these shitty makeshift “apartments” that were basically a modified truck bed with windows. No A/C in the middle of the desert. Again, this was what you see as you land in the country. They’re not even trying to hide it.

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u/Cool_Primary 7d ago

Modern day slavery and nothing is going to get done about it.

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u/bivox01 7d ago edited 7d ago

Companies are fighting tooth and nail to protect it too. From the enslaved workers in China, the sweat shops in Asia to the plantations in India , Africa and Latin America to prostitution rings in West .

Edit : American prisons.too. seems high in demand .

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u/followme8832 7d ago edited 7d ago

Oh believe me. Corporations would love to bring that shit over here as well. Why shouldn't Americans work 14 hour shifts and make subsistence wages? What makes them so much better than Latin or asian workers? And half the country would tka it up the but with a smile bc free markets and profit trumps everything else. Some of these people would let a company give their kids cancer for money lol.

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u/42thegame 7d ago

See weird cancer rates in kids in fracking heavy counties. They are already letting their kids get cancer.

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u/wsbfangirl 7d ago

Well, not their own kids. Some other kids.

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u/deviant324 7d ago edited 7d ago

Would actually like to* know if anyone living in an area affected by fracking is supporting it.

Surely someone has to be excited that their shower is one spark away from being a flamethrower! /s

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u/GuanYuBeetz 7d ago

It brings jobs (for a while, anyways) and passive income for landowners and not everybody has visibly contaminated water. It's easy to ignore things when the consequences won't show up for a decade or 2

And where I live, everybody will assume it's from coal power waste lol :(

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u/arrow74 7d ago

Then after 2 decades just say "we didn't know this would happen" and you're absolved of all blame even if you knew it would

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u/nopantsdota 7d ago

bye bye shower bong bye bye me

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u/Jerkrollatex 7d ago

Also higher than normal stillbirths, crib deaths and miscarriages. Fracking needs to end now.

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u/EmilyU1F984 7d ago

I mean these people can light their running tap water on fire due to the shitload of gasses dissolved in it. How the fuck can the gasses get into the ground water but somehow the carcinogenic chemicals used for the fracking can't?

Like it's 100% clear this will have negative effects on everyone around.

Just like we always knew coal power plants drastically increased cancer rates in the vicinity due to all the radioactive gasses released.

(Funnily enough nuclear plants have average cancer rates but earlier detection due to the paranoia. Another fun fact: Coal power plants alone have released more radioactive materials than all nuclear accidents and bombs combined)

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u/toeofgod 7d ago

The same forces feeding "them" that narrative are feeding the same bullshit to the US and Can.

We gotta be for everyone

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u/filbertsnuts 7d ago

You don't know anyone in the US working 2 jobs to make ends meet?

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u/Zanina_wolf 7d ago edited 7d ago

Thats why we need international unity amongst workers. Why do you think people in positions of power like to go around agitating religious and nationalistic sentiments? When the poor are busy fighting one another, we dont have the time and energy to go after the puppetmasters.

Edit: Wanting international unity doesnt neccessarily mean you must be a communist or socialist or a treasoner. That's mutually exclusive.

Edit 2: Or, for my religious friends out there, an infidel or sinner. Actually, helping others in the fight for their freedom makes YOU more faithful to God/ Mazu etc etc because the ultimate aim of religion is to being upright and moral person and a contributor to society. If your religious leader says otherwise, leave whatever sect/organisation you are in. Only the servants of evil will preach messages of division.

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u/cryptohobo 7d ago

What does international unity among workers look like? A multinational union?

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u/SirWolfWold 7d ago

It can look like an international union but it could also look like a focused unified boycott (or combination of the two). The unifying impulse is the poor under economic violence.

We’re in a very strange place in terms of labor activism because awareness is growing painfully but any outlets for this pain are barely existent. The poor are easier to divide now because we DONT have such a movement anymore. The labor movement was responsible for some of the most important societal evolutions in the first half of the 20th century.

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u/Ganjahdalf 7d ago

A global unified human union to stand up to the crimes against humanity that happen everyday. Something needs to be done to counter the global exploitation of the vulnerable.

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u/le_yike 7d ago

Nothing will change as the safe-haven for the super rich is also the 'global leader'. IE owns the media and runs the democracies™.

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u/carrotsareyuck 7d ago

Too bad we've all been brainwashed to hate unions.

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u/goldfishpaws 7d ago

I was indifferent to them whilst younger, I though they were no longer needed as so much of what they'd fought for was now instituted in law. Then I saw the rapacious greed trying to undo all the standards that were written in workers blood, and I'm very much pro-union now.

That's not that all unions are healthy in themselves. Some are more or less extortion rackets with union leaders finding a new way to live the high life on the backs of the workers, but they're just capitalists with a new name. But many unions are more or less balanced and healthy and not excessive.

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u/Platno 7d ago

Unions are pretty popular in Europe. I'm an expat from Canada living in Denmark and one of the biggest shock for me was how big unions are here. Even cashiers have unions here.

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u/green_flash 7d ago

What we need are international standards for labour conditions and an agreement that a violation of them can legally be used to justify import tariffs. The ILO could be the arbiter for that. Needless to say, the same applies for environmental conditions.

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u/ATINYNEKO 7d ago

The globalized economy relies on these "slave" workers else the greedy multinationals will see their profits drop exponentially. Exploitation of fellow human beings have become the new normal when outsourcing to countries with cheaper labor became more accessible.

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u/Zoomwafflez 7d ago

And don't forget about all the prison labor in the USA and the people in India making $7 a month to build iPhones.

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u/Zero-Kelvin 7d ago

Though i admit that Indian labourers are paid less. I dont think anyone here is paid for 7 bucks a month, in any job

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u/TheDerbLerd 7d ago

Don't forget our good ol prison labor here in the US, arrest people on inflated/manufactured charges, then charge them for basic nezecessities like soap and toothpaste while they're in prison, then offer them 1 job option doing what would be a $17-$20 an hour union job, but only pay them 10 cents an hour, or $5 a week

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u/MoonSentinel95 7d ago

I came across this incredible piece of article/report called "The dark side of Dubai from 2012, a few days back.

Really disturbing how slave labor is still being used in the middle East.

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u/JMEEKER86 7d ago

Yep, the workers get imported, paid far below standard rates, are forced to work in extreme conditions for long hours, and can’t leave because their employers confiscate their travel documents. It’s really crazy, but crazier is that there are more slaves today than there were prior to the US freeing theirs.

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u/Meath77 7d ago

Qatar gets the publicity because of the world cup, but people flock to Dubai and don't give a shit. Probably the last country in the world I'd want to visit.

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u/JackAndrewWilshere 7d ago

But the skyscrapers are so beautiful. And the shopping malls!

Dubai is the epitome of materialistic hedonistic society.

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u/Meath77 7d ago

Instagram is full of Dubai. People will have a rainbow flag in their profile but promote a country where homosexuality is illegal.

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u/CallOfCorgithulhu 7d ago

Look at Formula One in recent years. They are big on equality with their "we race as one" slogan and rainbow designs on cars and promotional material.

Oh also they race in Abu Dhabi, Dubai, and just added a Saudi Arabia track.

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u/demeschor 7d ago

I know someone who goes on amazing holidays all the time, goes to the Maldives every year, etc.

She always says Dubai is her favourite place on earth and she's never even left the airport.

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u/BoonTobias 7d ago

My uncle went to Saudi a long time ago, then he came back 25 years ago and left his wife and and child with us. He would come visit once a year or sometimes 2 or 3 years later. Many years later my dad went to visit him.

He found out that he was basically living there as a slave and in a small room. Dad told him he should come back asap and join his business. He had apparently taken out loans from people and it wasn't possible at the time.

This story has a lot more to it but it always made me sad this had to happen

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u/MoonSentinel95 7d ago

So apparently there is no concept of bankruptcy over there from what I've read. You take out loans or borrow money, you either pay up and spend time in prison.

So people who have their travel documents seized, given shit pay and have fallen in debt are so royally screwed.

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u/fermbetterthanfire 7d ago

Any Emirate state is going to be run like this.

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u/Immediate_Situation 7d ago

ALJazeera: sorry, no one died in Qatar. It is the greatest country in the world.

BTW, let us show you some random negative news about South Asia.

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u/cecilrt 7d ago

Seen Al Jazeera world news when overseas in the hotel.

was bloody impressed, they're what the BBC use to be like...

EXCEPT.... there was a glaring hole in regards to middle east/Qatar

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u/Neuro-Runner 7d ago

It is pretty sad how their coverage of everything but their own corner of the world is great. It's obviously on purpose though. "Don't bite the hand that feeds you" and all. If they were as critical of Qatar, UAE, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia as they want to be they wouldn't be allowed to exist, or they would at least have a tough time doing so.

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u/nelak468 7d ago

It's a sad reality but no nation ever really reports honestly about its own issues. The BBC or Al Jazeera's reporting of the US for example is much better than any US news organization. You can likewise get a more accurate picture of what's happening in the middle east through news agencies not based in the middle east.

By being located outside of the region, they are both removed enough to be less biased and also safer from reprisal.

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u/moonrockinvestor 7d ago

More countries than you think do it, even places like Japan.

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u/Zixxion 7d ago

Yes, Japan imports cheap workers from SEA

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u/Ventoamore 7d ago

The aftermath of Fukushima. The cleaning was mostly done by cheap labor from SEA, many of which did not know they would work under such conditions beforehand.

Today, the whole thing got marketed as a huge achievement of Japaneses alone. They even made a movie about how heroic Japanese save the world blabla.

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u/ultronic 7d ago

that Canadians don't want to,

*For the wages offered

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u/JohnGB 7d ago

I'll do what I can by not watching any of the world cup and avoiding any companies who I see advertising it. Why not join me?

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u/OneTrueKingg 7d ago

#BoycottQatarWorldCup

Let's do our bit and spread the word

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u/Stampatore 7d ago

What do you mean. Clearly the government is actively doing something about it. By hiding and denying it

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u/Exoddity 7d ago

"How much is that in real people?" - Qatar, probably

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u/Marcoscb 7d ago

And their answer is likely zero.

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u/agueroisgoat 7d ago

I was arguing a while back with my cousin who's a religious nut job on how Qatar was treating the migrant workers and slavery in general and he has the gall to say Islam has guidelines on "the right way to beat a slave", there's no rationalising with these people

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u/maomao-chan 7d ago

I wonder why prophet didn't abolish slavery altogether when it's absolutely a good thing to do? Why not make it haram? Even alcohol which is actually good in moderation is labeled as haram. I don't think slavery bring any good, even in moderation. Just a genuine question.

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u/curiousnerd_me 7d ago

"3/5" - Qatar, probably

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u/Dangerous_D99 7d ago

Yet people queue up without any regard to buy tickets and watch the world cup. It has been proven again and again the Qatar 2022 wc is corrupt af. And blatant human rights have been violated. Yet no repercussions what so ever.

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u/rocko130185 7d ago

Fifa is an incredibly corrupt organisation and always have been. They care about nothing but money and Qatar has lots.

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u/zeddoh 7d ago

People didn’t give a shit about Russia in 2018 either, and it’s a well known dictatorship whose leader murders his opponents at will all over the world, not to mention all the other stuff. Hell, Putin tried to assassinate the Kripals in England with a nerve agent mere months before the World Cup and everyone just shrugged. As long as people are happy to launder powerful nations’ reputations via events like this nothing will change. Just look at places like Saudi and the UAE paying celebrities and influencers to visit and talk them up.

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u/mapppa 7d ago edited 7d ago

B...but sport creates peace and unifies people. That's why Nazi Germany stopped being evil after they got the Olympic Games in the 1930s. /s

I get that sport events are great to bring people together on a small scale, but as soon as corporate/national interest took over, it just serves as a show of power and to exploit people.

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u/malcolmbishop 7d ago

A world cup is easier to boycott as a consumer than trying to find affordable ethical clothing, for example.

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u/Dangerous_D99 7d ago

But it's evident that the culprits are going scotfree. So the only option left to the public is to stay out of it.

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u/tdasfa 7d ago

If you are still buying tickets to a World Cup that you know was built on slave labour, then I'm sorry, you carry some responsibility for that.

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u/thebarrcola 7d ago

FIFA and by extension the World Cup is about as corrupt as you can aim to be, they probably give the IOC a run for their money and that's saying something.

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u/BetterBuffIrelia 7d ago

I will do my best to not watch it, let alone travel there. It's not much, but I hope many will do it too. It really sucks though, as a football fan this is the absolute highlight that you usually look forward to immensely. And it only comes every four years. So with Blatter and cronies giving it to Qatar many of us will be robbed of something that we hold dear, for a significant Periode of time.

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

watch it on illegal streaming sites.

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u/crackhousebob 7d ago

Ya, umm, 6500 migrants is a hell of a lot. Native Qataris are only 10 percent of the population. They don't care about migrant workers in the least. They are basically slave labor.

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u/shillyshally 7d ago

Over a ten year period although appalling nonetheless.

"The findings, compiled from government sources, mean an average of 12 migrant workers from these five south Asian nations have died each week since the night in December 2010..."

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u/spikyraccoon 7d ago

This was the most appalling part for me:

Based on the data obtained by the Guardian, 69% of deaths among Indian, Nepali and Bangladeshi workers are categorised as natural. Among Indians alone, the figure is 80%.

The Guardian has previously reported that such classifications, which are usually made without an autopsy, often fail to provide a legitimate medical explanation for the underlying cause of these deaths.

They labelled cause for nearly 70% deaths as "natural" and most of them without autopsy. It's not as if senior citizens were doing the labor work. Most of them were young and healthy. Some serious cover up going on there.

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u/PrAyTeLLa 7d ago

Yes but it's quite natural for humans to die when forced into those working conditions

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u/sigmoid10 7d ago

It seems they treat "natural deaths" as in "naturally, they died." Might have taken the idea from those "essential oils" that actually means "essentially, they're oils."

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u/Schedulator 7d ago

if you fall from a height you'll naturally hit the ground.... Thats why they don't give a shit about safety or human life.

The entire middle east is built on slave like immigrant labour while the "citizens" live lavish lifestyles. The Glitz and Glamour they present to the outside world is all a facade, a themepark, and they don't like the guests peeking backstage.

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u/TheFourthAble 7d ago

I mean, heat stroke is “natural” for 122 °F weather.

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u/NeedsMoreSpaceships 7d ago

Natural: dying after working outside in a dessert all day

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u/Aliceuntersau 7d ago

That is still a lot of deaths considering these workers are relatively young and able-bodied. It's also a minimum figure, and the article says that the real number is likely higher.

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u/green_flash 7d ago

Not likely higher. Definitely higher:

Data from India, Bangladesh, Nepal and Sri Lanka revealed there were 5,927 deaths of migrant workers in the period 2011–2020. Separately, data from Pakistan’s embassy in Qatar reported a further 824 deaths of Pakistani workers, between 2010 and 2020.

The total death toll is significantly higher, as these figures do not include deaths from a number of countries which send large numbers of workers to Qatar, including the Philippines and Kenya. Deaths that occurred in the final months of 2020 are also not included.

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u/OneTrueKingg 7d ago edited 7d ago

#BoycottQatarWorldCup

Let's do our bit and spread the word

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u/DrZorbo 7d ago

I'm a die hard football fan with World Cups and European Championships being the best times every two years. Had my troubles with folloing the Russian WC already. But this is just too much to ignore and have a good WC time.
Totally with you: let's boycott that absolute hypocritical shitshow

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u/OneTrueKingg 7d ago

Yup, knowing it and then watching it, will be tough, hence we need to spread awareness and spread the word

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u/Attila_the_Nun 7d ago

I'm gonna boycot that shit. And hope to be only one of millions.

It's the only way FIFA is gonna learn anything, being the money-grubbing bastards, that they are.

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u/OneTrueKingg 7d ago

We have time, let's make many millions aware

#BoycottQatarWorldCup

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u/Gone_in_the_morning 7d ago

Bit sad that one needs to scroll this far to see this, should be top. Boycott or bust, FUCK FIFA, FUCK QATAR, and if it comes to it, FUCK FOOTBALL (money)

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u/newsSAUR 7d ago

FUCK FIFA and FUCK QATAR? Those are two flags you can rally an army behind you.

But FUCK FOOTBALL? Now you're just bringing that same people that would support you... against you.

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u/phoenixbbs 7d ago

There's no way the games should be held there given the circumstances, I'm sure there's something in the contract about modern slavery or unsafe construction.

How it got this bad is another thing, for which FIFA need to take joint responsibility.

The International Criminal Court should be looking into this.

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u/Stuf404 7d ago

Fuck FIFA for choosing Qatar of all fucking places. There was so many good and eligible places who put their name down to host the world Cup. England included, you know after they built ENTIRE STADIUMS ALREADY FOR THE OLYMPICS.

Fifa is corrupted.

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u/a_shootin_star 7d ago

Please watch the documentary "The worker's cup" to fully grasp the conditions the workers face.

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u/StanleyJohnny 7d ago

And that was in 2017. Shit is probably way worse since they are closer to world cup and need to finish everything.

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u/Donnydidnuffin 7d ago

People being worked to death in one of the modern-day slave states? What a shock. FIFA's been corrupt for years - and I'm not just talking EA Sports deals.

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u/JustHere2RuinUrDay 7d ago

But Franz Beckenbauer has said he didn't see people in chains so this must be fake news.

No, seriously, this old senile fuck should be put behind bars together with the rest of the people at FIFA.

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u/lrzbca 7d ago edited 7d ago

Two ways to handle it, one boycott or attend the games honour the dead and call them arseholes who made the workers suffer by protesting during the game. I highly doubt they will allow it.

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u/hotrock3 7d ago

Qatar is a police state. You will not make it out of that stadium a free person if you make much of an issue. Not a place I'd want to spend time in police custody.

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u/josephblade 7d ago

Yeah then you get the whole BS argument of "sports should not be political"...

which is one of those arguments only brought up to avoid talking about stuff because people are making big bucks.

Bloodmoney, as it turns out.

boycotting is the only proper way I think

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u/Syper 7d ago

It's crazy to me that organizations behind these large events are not held accountable. If a country wants to host, they should need to be able to also prove providing decent living and working conditions for the people working to set up the event.

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u/Schedulator 7d ago

FIFA? probably even more corrupt than the international Olympic committee

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u/woogeroo 7d ago

Seriously. Getting them to hold a World Cup in a country that is

  • shit at football
  • has no history of playing football
  • is too hot to play football
  • doesn’t allow women to wear shorts
  • doesn’t allow alcohol
  • has slaves

feels like a deliberate scheme to discredit FIFA by some rival organisation - it’s just so transparently a bad place to have a football tournament.

And that’s saying something after hosting one in Russia.

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u/AlGoreBestGore 7d ago

But money?

- Some FIFA official

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u/IamtryigOKAY 7d ago

Tell me how much FIFA cares about human rights

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u/P_OS 7d ago

As much as it pains me, I'm going to boycott this word cup.

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u/Fronchy 7d ago

This was one of the main reasons everyone was was against them getting the world cup. But we all know FIFA will do annything for the right $$$

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u/autotldr BOT 7d ago

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 89%. (I'm a bot)


While death records are not categorised by occupation or place of work, it is likely many workers who have died were employed on these World Cup infrastructure projects, says Nick McGeehan, a director at FairSquare Projects, an advocacy group specialising in labour rights in the Gulf.

The Qatar government says that the number of deaths - which it does not dispute - is proportionate to the size of the migrant workforce and that the figures include white-collar workers who have died naturally after living in Qatar for many years.

The committee organising the World Cup in Qatar, when asked about the deaths on stadium projects, said: "We deeply regret all of these tragedies and investigated each incident to ensure lessons were learned. We have always maintained transparency around this issue and dispute inaccurate claims around the number of workers who have died on our projects."


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u/huhwhatrightuhh 7d ago

From the article embedded within this article:

Another factor that needs to be taken into account is that, according to one estimate, a third of migrant workers in Qatar don't even work in construction. The ITUC, though, is counting the deaths of workers in any line of work and from any cause, including road accidents and heart attacks... the Indian Government says in a press release: "Considering the large size of our community, the number of deaths is quite normal."

The point officials are making is that there are about half a million Indian workers in Qatar, and about 250 deaths per year - and this, in their view, is not a cause for concern. In fact, Indian government data suggests that back home in India you would expect a far higher proportion to die each year - not 250, but 1,000 in any group of 500,000 25-30-year-old men. Even in the UK, an average of 300 for every half a million men in this age group die each year.

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u/HoldenMan2001 7d ago

A better title might be:

There have been 6,750 deaths of south Asian migrants since Qatar was awarded the right to host the World Cup in 2010.

As the 6,500 figure doesn't include several countries and only about 40 workers have actually died whilst building stadiums etc.

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