r/news 7d ago

75-year-old protester pushed by Buffalo police files lawsuit against city, mayor and officers

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/22/us/buffalo-protester-lawsuit/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_latest+%28RSS%3A+CNN+-+Most+Recent%29
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u/CameronCrazy1984 7d ago

This is the same PD that stood on a porch while a bounty hunter illegally entered a house looking for the owner’s brother.

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u/KookofaTook 7d ago

The fact that "dog" guy is not only legal but was a successful TV show still blows my mind. Like, the actual supposedly trained law enforcement kill unarmed civilians but you also need random people allowed to hunt other people for money?? The fuck is the US, a reenactment of The Most Dangerous Game on a national level?

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u/crustygizzardbuns 7d ago

Fun fact, Dog the Bounty hunter was less legal than you think. In order to hold a bounty hunter's license, most places require a criminal record free of felonies. Well through a series of poor decisions including apprehending a suspect in Mexico that was considered a kidnapping by Mexico... his wife actually held the license for the business. That's why she was always with them.

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u/breeriv 7d ago

Which is also why they didn’t carry real guns.

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u/crustygizzardbuns 7d ago

Fuck... I totally bought into his peace bullshit and "I don't believe in shooting people but I'll mace you till the can is out." Everything I know is a lie.

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u/badgerandaccessories 7d ago

Dog was a sergeant at arms for a biker gang.

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u/Keeg4no 7d ago

If I recall correctly, Dog actually killed someone by shooting them in broad daylight on a busy street. Dude is completely full of shit

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u/conyeighwest 7d ago

Can we get a source on literally any of this shit

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u/Boltonhero 6d ago

He is convicted of first-degree murder, though he wasn't the one to shoot and kill. His friend was, and he was the getaway driver. Kidnapping charge appears to be true too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duane_Chapman#Capture_of_Andrew_Luster

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u/Yoshi122 7d ago

I remember his son came to our school to talk once, he tries to distance from his dad and emphasizes mental health for kids

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u/KarmaticIrony 7d ago

Fun? Fact: The US is one of only two countries in the world (Philippines is the other) where bounty hunting is legal.

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u/melimal 7d ago

That's a very sad fact.

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u/itskaiquereis 7d ago

Especially if you want to become a Boba Fett type of person

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u/col-fancypants 7d ago

It was a thing for many nations until the advent of organized police became more common. The US got hung up on it after the Civil War when authorized officials were few and far between in the vast swaths of land that is the central and western United States. You also had hundreds of slave catchers who were out of the job and thousands of soldiers with no applicable skill that were paired against renegade Confederates and organized gangs. It really is a bizarre story when you dig down into it. And until the creation of the FBI, bounty hunters were your best bet for inter state manhunts of criminals due to states not wanting outside law enforcement in their territories.

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u/Eyebleedorange 7d ago

You're telling me there's a poorly-trained, quasi-legal police force that operates with few if any government controls?

It's about time.

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u/chronic-neurotic 7d ago

dale gribble in the chat 🤠

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u/405freeway 7d ago

Shackleford.

Rusty Shackleford.

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u/dedicated-pedestrian 7d ago

Sh-sh-sha.

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u/billiejeanwilliams 7d ago

Don't start again with the sh-sh-sha's, shug.

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u/Kush_And_Cobbler 7d ago

Pocket sand! Shishaw

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u/FlockofGorillas 7d ago

Remember what I taught you. B, C, C, A, D,

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u/test_gen 7d ago

And you get a cool hat that reads "bounty hunter"

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u/altairian 7d ago

The sad thing is, real police have less accountability for injuries/deaths they cause than a private citizen, so being arrested by that untrained bounty hunter is probably fucking safer

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u/col-fancypants 7d ago

And a bounty hunter 99% of the time wants you alive. Especially seeing as they don't post Dead or Alive anymore, it's just alive. And the number of bail jumpers and people with warrants isn't even a top priority for anyone outside the marshals and deputies.

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u/Planey_McPlane_Face 7d ago edited 7d ago

Bounty hunting is actually crazy. Some states actually have some good laws around it, requiring training, they can only use and carry non-lethal weapons, etc. The reason they have them is because it can be a really frustrating loop of bureaucracy to try and chase a suspect, because many department's have jurisdictional issues. You could have the state PD chase them down, but state PDs can be stretched thin, so it's easier just to pay a 3rd party to bring the person back into your jurisdiction.

Then you have other states where all you need to become a bounty hunter is pay a $50 sign up fee. That's where you have bounty hunters break into the wrong house, causing the homeowner to have a heart attack, or illegally break property because the bounty hunter didn't even know what was and wasn't legal. It is hard to go after these guys, because most of the people they are after can't afford a lawyer to sue them even if the bounty hunter did do something wrong.

They serve a purpose, because the city of New York PD can't hunt down someone who's in upstate New York due to limited jurisdiction. They could get the New York State PD involved, but many of the state PDs have their own things going on. However, many departments have also started using bounty hunters because their cheaper. Rather than having 50 officers organize a manhunt for someone, just hire a bounty hunter to find them, and don't ask how he found them.

Unfortunately, like most of the law enforcement system in this country, it's broken and inhumane due to a total lack of oversight and a desire to keep costs low. It relies on the good old logic of most crimes are only illegal if the victim can afford to sue you. It also uses the hydra legal defense, basically there are so many bounty hunters and so little documentation that it wouldn't be worth it to sue them. If a police department did the same things bounty hunters do, lawyers would be all over them.

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u/1gnominious 7d ago

Which is even crazier when you explain it. Instead of establishing an official system with the authority to find people we just hire a bunch of randos with no oversight and wish them good luck.

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u/A_Privateer 7d ago

Bail should be completely abolished. It’s a despicable injustice that only effects the poor.

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u/photoviking 7d ago

There's a reason that show (and similarly Cops) primarily portray the 'bad guys' as poor people, people with illnesses and disabilities, and people of color

Gotta make the middle class think that poor people are bad and dangerous

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u/Psilocub 7d ago

It's classism on full display. "Yes these people are treated inhumanely but this would never happen to you."

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u/Taurol 7d ago

Just one little medical emergency that isn’t your fault or anything you can prepare for (about our my appendix bursting in 2019) and then you can be $76k in debt and a part of the dirty untouchable class!

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u/shadysamonthelamb 7d ago

Well that's why you pray. If you're a good upstanding hard working red blooded american, nothing bad can ever happen to you. Jesus will save you from being dirty and poor.

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u/mgill83 7d ago

I believe it was George Carlin who once joked, the poor exist just to scare the shit out of the middle class.

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u/Flame_Effigy 7d ago

Daytime judge shows do the same thing It's gross, honestly. Judge Judy is a bad program and people shouldn't like it.

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u/condods 7d ago

Participants on the Jeremy Kyle show reported that they made them change out of their outfits into ones with tracksuit bottoms.

Got to keep them looking the part for the middle class' poverty porn.

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u/FrostByte62 7d ago

Yup. Surprised that didn't get more traction on reddit.

Full clip of illegal search performed by bounty hunters not even licensed to practice in the state of NY (they're from PA) can be found below.

https://buffalonews.com/oakdale-raid/video_c4def703-25bf-5d16-a3ad-e93fbd0887a6.html

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u/Cabinettest41 7d ago

Trump literally claimed that this guy was a "member of antifa", and was "scanning" the police, so yeah.

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u/Jf12 7d ago

“He fell harder than he was pushed” is an actual quote from trump to claim this was fake. As if physics and gravity mean nothing

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u/SutterCane 7d ago

“He fell harder than he was pushed”

Yeah, almost as if he’s an old man.

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u/LiqdPT 7d ago

And almost as if he wasn't expecting to be pushed by some police officers. Backwards.

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u/protrudingstick 7d ago

Almost as if the laws of physics exist.

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u/illgot 7d ago

almost as if laws don't exist.

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u/Jonne 7d ago

No, they obviously mean that gravity is a liberal plot.

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u/be-human-use-tools 7d ago

He fell faster than free-fall speed, which proves it was a controlled demolition. /s

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u/Darqnyz 7d ago

You can see where the jetfuel actually cuts his steel legs

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u/rebornfenix 7d ago

7/11 was a part time job

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u/VegetableMix5362 7d ago

This comment took me out😭

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u/loxagos_snake 7d ago

I don't think you can be the decider of that.

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u/rebornfenix 7d ago

fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again

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u/exfilm 7d ago

They misunderestimate me

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u/Cunt_zapper 7d ago

He clearly accelerated faster than gravity. If you break the laws of physics, the Law has every right to get physical with you.

That’s just science.

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u/flatspotting 7d ago

So Trump supporters also support violence against old seniors... cool cool cool

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u/athielqueen 7d ago

And beating cops with flagpoles. Pick a lane, MAGAts.

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u/God_Damnit_Nappa 7d ago

They ripped down American flags and replaced them with Trump flags. They picked a lane and that's the Trump lane. If he said "fuck every cop" they'd immediately turn on the police.

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u/Quakarot 7d ago

They have a lane. To them, anyone who doesn’t support them is an enemy, and they figure out why after.

Always has been 👩‍🚀🔫👩‍🚀

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u/athielqueen 7d ago

Ok, that actually makes sense. Cops protecting the Capitol=beat/maim/kill. Cops who kill unarmed black people=#backtheblue. Did I do this right?

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u/USBtroika 7d ago

Trump supporters argue that killing a few hundred thousand seniors is alright, if it means that you do not have to wear a mask. Killing one or two for fun is nothing to them.

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u/AskovTheOne 7d ago edited 7d ago

physics and gravity

also a 75 years old man Vs 3 policemen in their prime.Pushed by all of them suddenly and fell down hard on the ground

edit: it is 2 , the extra guy was the one who stopped one of the policeman checking on the old man

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u/KarmaticIrony 7d ago

If a man who is 75 is pushed by 3 policemen, each exerting a force equal to Mussolini's Constant H, how fucked is the justice system to the nearest significant figure?

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u/athielqueen 7d ago

It’s so goddamn satisfying every time I see it.

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u/ahuggablecactus 7d ago

well he is a “stable genius”

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u/Darth-Ragnar 7d ago

One of the most disturbing moments of his presidency in my opinion.

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u/BridgetheDivide 7d ago

It's a very long list

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u/ThirdTimesTheHarm 7d ago

You mean a YUGE list.

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u/hoxxxxx 7d ago

One of the most disturbing moments of his presidency

yeah idk. there's gonna be volumes of books written about days of his presidency. incompetent silver spoon havin motherfucker that he is.

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u/Darth-Ragnar 7d ago

You’re probably right, but in the moment of the 2020 BLM Protests and a global pandemic, it was particularly disturbing to see the president using conspiracy theories to side with police brutality against an older man that might have just had his brain damaged.

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u/AlexanderTheOkayest 7d ago

His entire presidency, coupled with the pandemic, really felt like a black mirror episode. You could feel the collective sigh when Biden’s presidency was secured.

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u/hoxxxxx 7d ago

i know what you're saying but there were daily, weekly scandals equal to that for most of his time in office,

and i'm not even being critical of the guy that's just reality.

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u/Da904Biscuit 7d ago

It depends on which reality you're talking about. It's either the one in which Trump was/still is a giant POS. Or the other reality in which Trump was tirelessly fighting for the everyday average Joe/Joanne against the actual devil knocking at our door (or wall) that's trying to ruin America. The latter can be seen on Fox News and the like. While the former can be seen with your own eyes.

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u/Adrian_Exodus 7d ago

I was going to reply to above with a link to a video of the police cornering a bunch of protesters on a hill against a freeway wall and then shooting a kid in the head with a 'non-lethal' and the kid just dropping..but i couldn't find the video amongst all the other videos of similar occurrences.

so your reply works to cover it.

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u/poopship462 7d ago

All punctuated with “Proud Boys, stand back and standby”

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u/renzuit 7d ago

“You’re all very special, I love you”

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u/hoodatninja 7d ago

Right up there with praising nazis as “very fine people.”

And to anyone who says “hur dur it’s out of context that’s not what he said.” Yes it was. He knew exactly who he was talking to when he said that. I’ll never forget seeing “he loves us.”

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u/LeglessLegolas_ 7d ago

An LEO relative told me he was an actor and the blood coming out of his ears was from a bloodpack like they use in the movies. You can't make this shit up.

Actually, you can. And they do. And dumbasses eat it up without a second of critical thought. Right wing media in a nutshell.

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u/RosiePugmire 7d ago

So in order for this "setup" to work, he had to walk towards them and... trick them into suddenly, aggressively, pushing him off his feet, to the ground, in a way that would cause him to strike his head? And then, to make them look bad, he's secretly concealing a remotely triggered blood pack in his ear?

In other words a setup that only "works" if the police proactively decide to act like animals and use excessive force clearly meant to punish and hurt, not to defend themselves or subdue for arrest. Welp, you got us there, LEO relative...

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u/NiceGuyJoe 7d ago

Okay So even if youre dumb, a bad explan ation like this has to at least sit in your mind funny. Right? Like it's one additional absolutely effortless thought to say, "Nah that doesn't explain anything "

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u/akujiki87 7d ago

My uncle was spewing this bs. Going hur dur watch how he falls he did it on purpose watch the tape!

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u/Trips_Nicely 7d ago

I'm guessing the hospital was in on it too because he was treated for a concussion and a skull fracture. Even after treatment he couldn't walk without help.

It's still fucking amazing to me how conservatives are able to rationalize being such heartless, uncaring bastards so consistently.

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u/alongdaysjourney 7d ago

Yeah that “scanning” BS really took off in the fringes.

The claim was that he had some high tech gadget that was going to hack their comms.

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u/CharityStreamTA 7d ago

Why would the only person to use the gadget be an old man.

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u/leeluss14 7d ago

Because no one would expect an old man whose chief weapon is his age and his super secret jamming device,his two weapons are his age and his super secret jamming device and his slavish devotion to Antifa. His three weapons are.....

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u/delorf 7d ago

The police would have arrested the old man if he had some high tech gadget to use against them. They wouldn't just push him to the ground and walk past him.

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u/alongdaysjourney 7d ago

No no. It wasn’t discovered that he had a super secret jamming device until the dedicated investigators at OANN analyzed the video.

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u/Qwerty1234567890_2 7d ago

"No, no, no paperwork, just... just sprinkle some antifa on him. Let's get out of here."

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u/Mralfredmullaney 7d ago

I mean that’s how fascists work. They make up an enemy and then label anyone they want as that enemy.

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u/Cabinettest41 7d ago

And as simultaneously pathetically weak and unbelievably powerful.

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u/Bikinigirlout 7d ago

And then the poor guy had to relocate because crazy ass Trumpers were sending him death threats accusing him of faking his injuries

Do Trump people really think they’re tough by bullying/harassing an old man?

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u/aallqqppzzmm 7d ago

Who else are they going to bully?

Today I was talking to my boss and realized she has to deal with a lot more people acting like aggressive assholes to her than I do in the course of our work. I'm a big guy, she's a normal sized woman. It made me feel a small amount of respect towards the assholes I have to deal with, because at least they're always assholes instead of pretending to be a reasonable person when they're around people they can't physically intimidate.

Point is, people coming out of the woodwork to be assholes to attack an old man are the same people who would berate a female server or cashier while keeping their damn mouths shut around a big guy.

You know. Cowards.

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u/God_Damnit_Nappa 7d ago

Do Trump people really think they’re tough by bullying/harassing an old man?

Yes. I mean they think Trump is a tough man even though he's the dictionary definition of a fucking coward.

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u/2wheelzrollin 7d ago

You gotta be the dumbest idiot to hear that and go "yeah...sounds right"

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u/fiveswords 7d ago

20% of the nation thinks he's a stable genius. Interesting enough Texas has an 80% literacy rate.

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u/lakeghost 7d ago

Don’t blame all illiterate folks. I met an impoverished Native American at a livestock sale. She was kicked out of public school for being a “moron” back in the day. In her 60s, she learned she’s got dyslexia and ADD. Learning to read now. It goddamn blew my mind. Like, the fuck? I knew our public schools were shitty, and yeah, the time period fits, but huh. I always forget the people from the push to desegregation are often still alive and that history is so close to me getting a good education due to my mom sacrificing for it. But take that back a few decades and I’d probably be just tossed out of school for having a physical disability, I guess. Anyway, I really suggest anyone who can after COVID to help with teaching people to read, a lot of folks who can’t are exactly who bigots want to keep from voting.

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u/shaun3000 7d ago

You just described 20% of my Facebook friends.

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u/tehmlem 7d ago edited 6d ago

He has to sue because the DA couldn't get (didn't want) a grand jury to indict the officers. Apparently trying to kill an old man for standing in your way isn't a crime if you've got jackboots and a badge.

Edit: Mixed up AG and DA

Edit 2: A lot of trashy losers chiming in to say "They didn't try to kill him" or "He deserved it." This nonsense doesn't deserve a rebuttal or the effort of digging up the post history that demonstrates you feel very differently when it's not a cop, I just want to tell you to go fuck yourselves with a stick.

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u/cvera8 7d ago

Thanks for this, I was wonder why he is just suing now. This happened a few months ago and thought the guy would have sued a lot earlier.

Anyone that doesn't see this as completely fucked up by the cops is missing a few screws

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u/drakgremlin 7d ago

If there was a criminal conviction then the civil case has a bases of facts which he wouldn't have to establish. Now he has to prove a lot more.

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u/jttv 7d ago

Meh, only a majority of the jury in a civil case and buffalo is pretty blue.

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u/JorusC 7d ago

It's so disgusting that the likelihood of justice being done comes down to political affiliation. Everyone can see wrong being done, so how far lost are we that one side can't handle admitting it out loud for fear of the other side 'winning'?

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u/dedicated-pedestrian 7d ago

If it's hurting the other side, it's okay because the talking heads on your side are all saying that the other side is full of commies or socialists or antifa that want to destroy our way of life. Whatever that's supposed to mean.

And all your friends are saying the same things, or they're not vocally disagreeing with you. And if they do, you just find someplace on the internet that agrees with you.

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u/boobers3 7d ago

The DA didn't want the grand jury to indict is how your post should read.

You can famously get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich.

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u/Beingabumner 7d ago

Just a random question: at what point is a country considered a police state?

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u/luvsbigtitties 7d ago

He has to sue because he wants civil damages and punishment. He doesn’t have to sue because of the AG and indictments. One is civil and one is criminal. Totally separate cause of action.

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u/trampolinebears 7d ago

True, but a criminal case could have made many of the findings that a civil case could then rely upon.

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u/Loki-Don 7d ago

Jesus, that’s fucking brutal to watch. Empty road in full day light, the street is completely fucking empty save for 40 police officers and this old geezer standing there. He is unarmed and they shove his ass to the ground.

He immediately starts bleeding from his skull, his hands twitch uncontrollably from the brain damage and the cops keep walking on by.

These disgusting fuckers belong in jail.

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u/Kraymur 7d ago

One cop does go to help him and is immediately pushed away by another officer... like.

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u/Louie_Salmon 7d ago

"Bad apples" stop "good apples", condition them, break them, convert them, betray them. There are functionally no good apples

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u/0zymandeus 7d ago

Would you say that the bad apples have spoiled the bunch?

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u/Comedian70 7d ago

That's the problem with saying "it's only a few bad apples". It misses the entire point of the adage about bad apples spoiling the barrel.

Because that's the thing: if you have a barrel of good apples (literal apples) and you put a rotting one in the center, in a day or two the nearby apples will be rotting too, and shortly so will all the rest. Bad apples spoil it all.

So when you hear some police spokesperson or politician or even just some random cunt tell you "its only a few bad apples"... the very next thing out of their mouth MUST be "and we've removed them all entirely, and we've checked all the others they've touched to ensure they're not bad too, AND we've implemented new procedures to ensure that no bad apples ever get into the bunch ever again."

Because otherwise what they're saying is they're good with the whole system rotting from the inside out.

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u/Forlorn_Cyborg 7d ago

Some cops try to speak out against the system, there was the story of the Buffalo cop Cariol Horne who was fired for saving a man being choked by another cop. They fired her after nearly 20 years of service, and stripped away her pension because she spoke out against the. The unions have soo much power any "good apples" are threatened into silence with the fear of losing their job and their retirement.

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u/TheTemplarSaint 7d ago

Funny how the union didn’t protect her... somehow when the type of punishment Cariol received is attempted against police officers who deserve it, it gets recinded.

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u/Forlorn_Cyborg 7d ago

The union only protects from outside influence. Say some family is upset you shot their loved one, then you just get transferred to another station, or put on suspension, I mean paid vacation. When you try to criticize the union they take it as disloyalty in any regard.

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u/KineticPolarization 7d ago

Those unions should be busted up and new ones should be formed. Multiple unions. Rather than a singular over-powered union.

And the people who are the leaders of the union as far as I'm concerned are criminals and traitors to America. They abuse the citizens of America or protect those that do. After taking an oath to "protect and serve". As such, I think society should add this scenario in the list of things that constitute treason. They betray Americans and their trust. They should be held accountable. And I hope they are eventually. The longer justice is unobtainable through official means, the more likely a desperate population will be to take matters into their own hands. We should all wish to avoid that, but it seems like those who would be the targets and victims of such rage simply don't care. Or they legitimately think Americans are unique from every other populace throughout history. Which would make them ignorant beyond belief. People will only take so much abuse and exploitation.

For instance, I kind of would love to see Texans lash out at the people who put them in their current predicament and who still argue that they shouldn't change. I want to see these elitist fucks wake up to reality and get a healthy dose of fear. Those with power will never do the right thing on their own. They have to be made to fear the masses, because the masses (if sufficiently desperate) could literally overwhelm any force in their way of vengeance. The "leaders" in America for the last 60 or so years have gotten away with so much that they don't fear us. They should.

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u/Forlorn_Cyborg 7d ago

Absolutely. A 3rd party should be able to investigate the police, and not have departments "investigate themselves and find themselves guilty of no wrongdoing" as you often hear out of internal investigations. A group with real power that can't be intimidated.

And more accountability to people in leadership positions. Someone had to vote them in to office. And the sad part is the same people keep re-electing the same people for 40 years like Mitch McConnel and states are maintain consistently bad standings.

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u/Man_with_the_Fedora 7d ago

Good Apple responds to domestic violence call involving a gun.
Dispatch forgets to mention that the weapon is unloaded.
Good Apple identifies that the weapon is missing its magazine and thus the citizen is attempting suicide-by-cop.
Good Apple makes good progress talks down the citizen.

2 Bad Apples ghost ride up to the scene and nearly wreck into each other trying to be tacticool, and immediately escalates the situation and suicides the citizen.

Bad Apples then write a formal letter to the Police chief indicating their desire to never be on patrol with Good Apple.

Police Chief then fires Good Apple for "apparent difficulties in critical reasoning incidents."

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u/Sambothebassist 7d ago

My jaw dropped at the description of the first three shots going literally everywhere but the target - and then the cop having time to refocus his aim and put a bullet in the back of the guys head but not time to refocus and realise he wasn’t a threat.

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u/Forlorn_Cyborg 7d ago

That's absolutely terrifying. A veteran with those awards and they still treated him like shit when he questioned the system.

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u/akairborne 7d ago

And only received 600k for what they did to him. Needs another zero on there and it needs to be taken right out of the pensions of the cops that abducted him.

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u/Bluehoon 7d ago

we should change it to "one fuzzy strawberry" and a lot more people would understand

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u/FigBits 7d ago

De-fuzz the Fuzz.

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u/Vaskre 7d ago

The operative word there is don't let a few bad apples spoil the bunch. As in, cut that rot out before it corrupts everything. Hell, going back to the Cantebury tales it's "Well better is a rotten apple out of the store, than that it rot all that remain".

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u/khoabear 7d ago

Too bad the bad apples own the store

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u/diywayne 7d ago

I've retired that analogy personally. Now I just tell people the "barrel is rotten"...doesn't matter if you put good apples in anymore

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u/oaklamd 7d ago

To me that's what the "thin blue line" means. They'll let some bad apples do heinous stuff and protect each other behind a line of corruption. It's codified thuggery.

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u/LiqdPT 7d ago

As I recall, that was the officers supervisor that told him to keep moving

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u/tahlyn 7d ago

These disgusting fuckers belong in jail.

All charges were dropped a few days ago.

There is no justice.

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u/Bicentennial_Douche 7d ago

Back when this happened, the two officers directly involved faced some disciplinary action. The entire unit resigned in protest to support their colleagues.

Every single cop you see in this video, is a bad cop.

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u/Ziff7 6d ago

They resigned from the SWAT team, not from being police officers.

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u/tariqi 6d ago

A good clarification, but that makes it even worse. They still want the paycheck, but don’t want to protect the people.

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u/NineteenSkylines 7d ago

The state attorney general needs to appoint a special prosecutor. It sucks how far police have fallen in my lifetime, even in Western Europe (free Pablo Hasel!)

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u/disdainfulsideeye 7d ago

The state attorney is the one who presented a weak case to the grand jury that led to them not being indicted. They got the outcome they wanted so it's not likely they will do anything further.

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u/AlarmedTechnician 7d ago

That was a local prosecutor, not the state's AG. The state's AG could appoint someone not local who doesn't have ties to those local cops to replace the local prosecutor for the case so there's not a massive conflict of interest. Probably won't happen, but it could.

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u/noxypaws 7d ago

AGs side with cops far more often than not. This isn't the solution. Defunding law enforcement, and putting that money towards more effective and targeted approaches, is the solution. Same thing with prisons.

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u/AceBalistic 7d ago

Sorry, but who’s Pablo Hasel?

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u/Causerae 7d ago

Holy crap, that's awful.

Love how the piggy play group calls itself a "benevolent association."

Oh, yeah, they reek with "benevolence." 😡

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u/Mrfoxsin 7d ago

More like beneviolence

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u/Endarkend 7d ago

If I'm not mistaken, a rapper on either Spain or Portugal that got jailed because his lyrics blasphemed against royalty.

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u/Kraymur 7d ago

He said they're corrupt and inbred, they are both of those things... i'm not going to sift through the plethora of articles on the former, but the Hapsburgs pretty much back up his inbred claims.

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u/blondechinesehair 7d ago

Have they fallen that far or do we now see their actions on camera?

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u/MBThree 7d ago

I was wondering why he took what feels like a long time to sue. The charges being dropped explains that.

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u/jamesallen74 7d ago

And people wonder why some say fuck the police.

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u/be-human-use-tools 7d ago

Sounds like time for a federal civil rights violation charge.

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u/mega_trex 7d ago

Do you have a link?

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u/mega_trex 7d ago

Thanks. Mind-blowing. It's literally assault on video

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u/bigavz 7d ago

It's a grand jury. If the past few years have shown anything is that they functionally exist to protect cops.

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u/ayo_shawty 7d ago

Which is a product of the prosecutor's office.

There is an old and common saying that any prosecutor worth a penny could get a grand jury indictment on a ham sandwich.

In essence it means that grand juries in practice are nothing more than an extension of, and distraction from, the prosecutors discretion.

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u/RVA2DC 7d ago

Yep. The prosecutor SWEARS he didn't sandbag it, but I find it hard to believe.

The standard of proof to bring charges is an incredibly low bar.

The system is fucked. If someone defends the police's actions here, I don't know how they can live with themselves. Truly fucking pathetic those officers are.

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u/itisrainingweiners 7d ago

My father served on a grand jury in Buffalo years ago. He's a realistic guy, he wasn't wearing any rose-colored glasses when he went into it, but he still expected a fairly even-handed experience. He said every single thing out of the court's mouthpiece at any given moment was designed 100% to get the cases moved forward that they wanted advanced. The grand jury had no actual say, based on how the court played it out, you could only decide in certain ways that favored the outcome the attorneys wanted. He came out of that experience cynical as fuck about the court system.

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u/Kolbin8tor 7d ago

Yup, and when the city put those two cops on disciplinary leave, the entire rest of the 57 police officers on the squad resigned in “disgust.”

Sauce

Disgust does not even begin to describe how the rest of us feel, the effing glorified murderers are everything that’s wrong with our society.

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u/footprintx 7d ago

They should all resign permanently.

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u/xxkoloblicinxx 7d ago

They shouldn't be able to resign, they should be fired.

Lose their non-union benefits too.

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u/Investoooor 7d ago

Resigned from SWAT/riot control or some shit. None of them was willing to actually give up their paychecks

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u/farahad 7d ago

Especially confusing given what happened at the Capitol just under two months ago. Actual armed insurrectionists attempted to overthrow the US government, and...they were treated with kid gloves. Where are the ruptured eyes, the fractured skulls?

Do we really just save the wanton violence for the people mostly peacefully to get equal rights for minorities?

It's not like these protesters were armed and trying to take over city hall....

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u/Luke90210 7d ago

At this point its clear the Feds and most cops will back down when confronted by a white armed mob, even in broad daylight.

https://offgridsurvival.com/militia-push-feds-out-of-nevada-sheriff-of-clark-county-announces-feds-leaving-bundys-land/

If your unarmed people peacefully sit down to protest, you might be shot, arrested or tear gassed.

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u/Abtino11 7d ago

Pretty sure trump tried to say he was using a signal jammer or something

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u/canuck47 7d ago

Trump tweeted that he was a "Anifa provocateur" and that the whole thing was a setup.

I'm so glad he got kicked off Twitter

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u/durx1 7d ago

Don’t worry he will be speaking at CPAC soon and guarantee he will some some ignorant shit that will be blasted everywhere

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u/KillionMatriarch 7d ago

One officer begins to kneel down to check on the man and another cop stops him and makes him keep walking. This is how humanity gets snuffed out. That’s how monsters are made.

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u/Pugblep 7d ago

That's some nazi Germany level shit right there.

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u/KaleBrecht 7d ago

“Maybe we should make sure he isn’t hurt too bad, maybe get him some help?”

“No! Cancel that shit right now! Keep marching like the Gestapo in the name of fascism!”

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u/X-GonnaLendItToYa 7d ago

As he fucking should.

Cops having ZERO accountability is disgusting.

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u/BrownyRed 7d ago

My sentiments exactly.

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u/Sauffer 7d ago

I remember when this happened and people were saying it was fake and the blood was a prop. Smh

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u/yungrii 7d ago

If I, and I assume most people I know, hurt someone in this way, it would float on my mind all day every day. I'd feel like trash. I would be trash.

The brain washing and anger that caused this cop to do this is bonkers and depressing.

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u/mtheperry 7d ago

You’d also be in fucking prison

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u/--half--and--half-- 7d ago

people were saying

yeah, not just "people"

“Buffalo protester shoved by Police could be an ANTIFA provocateur. 75 year old Martin Gugino was pushed away after appearing to scan police communications in order to black out the equipment. @OANN,” Trump tweeted, citing the conservative cable channel One America News Network but offering no evidence to support such an assertion.

Republicans took the worst, most terrible POS they could find and elevated him to the presidency.

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u/farahad 7d ago

I just thought he was going to die. Glad he puled through...

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u/cosmictypewriter 7d ago

Then those same people went to the capitol and started beating Capital police with Blue Lives Matter flags. FFS

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u/waterdevil19 7d ago

Oh yeah, like there was a cord running down or something. Fucking morons.

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u/NMT-FWG 7d ago

Trump supporters are willing to believe a lot of things, but for some reason they can't believe this man was injured by the police.

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u/rpanko 7d ago

When this video first surfaced, it was one of the hardest things I’ve ever seen. That poor guy deserves every ounce of justice those officers face... and I hope they get slapped with everything in the book.

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u/blownbythewind 7d ago

It won't be criminal charges. Any civil charges will be born by the City and the police department (e.g. the tax payers). The officers involved will get a nice paid vacation while this is investigated and a very stern verbal warning of don't do that while on film.

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u/fox112 7d ago

The amount of money I've seen police stations just throw at lawsuits over and over again is unreal.

Isn't there a political party really big on financial responsibility? Surely they would have a thing or two to say about this...

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u/JaqueeVee 7d ago

Remember that is YOUR tax money, not the police’s money. They dont have their own money. Your taxes literally go towards fascist police work, and legal defense for fascist police.

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u/DiscombobulatedPea31 7d ago

I remember the cult45 claiming this guy was an actor, and that the blood was from a bag and hose. Imagine being that fucked in the head.

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u/DannySmashUp 7d ago

I’m a professor at a small college in WNY. The amount of my students that saw the video and STILL found ways to blame the protester... well, let’s just say it kind of sapped my will to live.

A large portion of America has been radicalized to the point where “evidence” and “empathy” are seen as the enemy. Well, them and “the libs”

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u/SuperHiyoriWalker 7d ago edited 6d ago

It's one thing when traditionally college-aged kids are kind of insensitive and douchey on an interpersonal level, but to see this much mean-spiritedness in their general outlook would kind of sap my will to live too.

EDIT: I certainly didn't mean to imply that all or even most people in this age group are full of hatred. My college-level teaching has taken place in much bluer parts of the country than WNY; because of this, I've had the good fortune to not be in the situation OC described.

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u/jsktrogdor 7d ago

I think a very important poll number for all Americans to know is:

In 1970 when the National Guard murdered 4 unarmed students at Kent State, 58% of Americans blamed the students.

In the moment, everyday people are often blinded by their prejudices and biases. (reminder, you're an everyday person)

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u/for2fly 7d ago

It was also being reported early on, that the students were armed and attacked the National Guard. So, the false narrative overran the truth for quite a while.

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u/sowillo 7d ago

Thank God he woke up from that, one thought he died.

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u/pandaluver1234 7d ago

He had fucking blood coming out of his ears. I can’t get that image out of my goddamn head. These cops need to be punished. It’s fucking disgusting.

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u/Aethenae 7d ago

One of the firsts things you learn in first aid, is that bleading OUT OF YOUR FUCKING EARS REQUIRES QUICK RESPONSE. Since they’re police, they’ve followed these types courses, I must assume.

It disgusts me so much, I don’t even know what to say anymore.

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u/Alert_Performance_58 7d ago edited 7d ago

I live here. Its so fucking corrupt you wouldn't believe it. A garbage man was shot in the spine last year and the police's first instinct was to cover it up.

We worship a fracker because he bought our team. Mmmmm lovely place to be.

Town is a fucking whirlpool.

https://www.wkbw.com/news/local-news/i-just-want-justice-lackawanna-man-says-city-dropped-the-ball-on-shooting-investigation

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/criminal-justice/ct-fired-buffalo-officer-chicago-support-20201026-rifgyniwtffy7nmztj3jdaknkq-story.html

https://www.investigativepost.org/2020/08/23/buffalo-billion-audit-shock-and-ugh/

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u/prettypersuasions_ 7d ago

Good on this elder. Sue the fucking siding off their houses.

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u/pongomostest1 7d ago

I'm with you. It would be better if he wasn't in a position to sue but he got undue treatment by the real thugs. Poor old bloke, not fair.

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u/indecisiveassassin 7d ago

“Gugino was protesting racism and police brutality.”

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u/tow_hide 7d ago

Maybe one day in like 30 years, police will be able to be held accountable for their actions

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u/debateg 7d ago

The DA claimed that he really tried to get the officer indicted. Reading between the lines, he seems to think the grand jury's decision was wrong. Given that you can indict a ham sandwich, either he is lying and didn't try or the people on the grand jury felt like the 75 year old had it coming. I am leaning to the latter.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/11/us/buffalo-police-martin-gugino-charges-dismissed/index.html

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u/TrineonX 7d ago

The DA didn't try.

Failing to get an indictment in a grand jury is like losing a race where you're the only competitor. It's a hearing held in secret, where the accused is not given any details, and doesn't get to mount a defense.

The DA, on the other hand gets to gather evidence using subpoenas, present only the parts that make the defendants look bad, and does it all in secret, so they can claim whatever they want in the press after the fact because everyone else involved is sworn to secrecy.

When you have a video of the crime like this, I have a hard time believing that the DA actually tried

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u/RVA2DC 7d ago

Yep. I don't trust that guy one bit. I think they get indictments in 99%+ of cases presented to grand juries. But "Strangely" this is the one he couldn't get?

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u/adam_demamps_wingman 7d ago

I think there are two countries that still use the grand jury. This case is one of the reasons why.

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u/Agilofing 7d ago

At the federal level, the handbook given to all grand jurors doesn't mention that they can subpoena anyone they want, whether the prosecutor requests it or not. That they can authorize government prosecutions into people that the prosecutor doesn't want to prosecute.

Grand juries theoretically have immense power, but they never know it. And if you try to tell them?

Well, when you try to tell jurors in regular juries about jury nullification, New York will arrest you.

Let me say that again -- if you try to tell jurors about the law, the state will arrest you.

Not because you got the law wrong. Because you got the law correct and they don't want jurors to know.

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u/funky_grandma 7d ago

Oh man I thought this guy died!

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u/thafishdance 7d ago

I would donate to this mans legal fees

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u/metengrinwi 7d ago edited 7d ago

And once again, the city taxpayers will pay out for negligence on behalf of the police and leadership. While this man certainly deserves compensation, it will result in less city services or more dilapidated city buildings. Police should be required to carry liability insurance, like many other professions.

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