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Guy in hospital recovering from Covid says he still wouldn’t have gotten the vaccine because the government can’t tell him what to do 🇨​🇴​🇻​🇮​🇩​

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u/tellthetruthandrun 2d ago

Things you may shove down my throat:

Endotracheal tubes — Yeah, dude!
Agendas — No fucking way!

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u/RatherMaybe 2d ago

I don't believe in freedom of will. Schopenhauer's word: “Man can do what he wants, but he cannot want what he wants” accompanies me in all situations and reconciles me with people's actions, even if they are really painful to me. This knowledge of the lack of freedom of the will protects me from taking myself and my fellow human beings too seriously as acting and judging individuals and from losing my good sense of humor.

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u/splendidfruit 2d ago

What does this mean? Very interesting.

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u/patternfall 2d ago edited 1d ago

It means we're ultimately slaves to our own desires rather than totally free to make our choices unimpeded.

In an antivaxxer sense it means to not judge these people too harshly, because they are influenced by their own ingrained biases and never really had the same freedom to choose rational choices that others did.

I'm not a fan of the philosophy, but that's pretty much it. My issue is that if you don't consider actions to be free will then ultimately nobody ever deserves punishment for the things they do. I prefer holding people accountable.

Edit: Look, people, Kantian moral philosophy is a murky sea a mile wide and five miles deep. There is a huge centuries-old philosophical debate about the nature of free will, and plenty of renowned philosophers starkly disagree with one another. THERE IS NO RIGHT ANSWER. PHILOSOPHY IS NOT SCIENCE. You can't "prove" any of it to be true any more than you can prove that a picture is pretty. That's kind of how philosophy works - it's a framework for making arguments about the world without empirical proof. Does free will exist? Schopenhauer says no. Kant says yes. A million others say one or the other or anything in-between.

I enjoy debate, but it's not a meaningful philosophical debate to claim absolute truths. A lot of you are coming at me like I just said gravity is yellow and the Earth is filled with cream cheese. None of this philosophy shit is demonstrably true or false. It's all just debate. Accept that and accept that every idea you have about philosophy is just that - your own personal belief. Represent your beliefs the best you can, but holy shit nobody is "wrong" here.

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u/jayj59 2d ago edited 2d ago

I don't quite think it means actions are free. "Man can do what he wants" meaning we don't have to act on our wills. We just can't fully control what we want, or like, or hate. My inherent hate for smelly people does not give me the right to spray any offending person with febreze.

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u/patternfall 2d ago

That's a part of the philosophy, but the guy that brought it up mentioned how it "reconciles me with people's actions, even if they are really painful to me." So in this context it's more about explaining why other people act the way they do.

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u/Crease53 2d ago

Did you know when they first did test marketing for Febreeze it actually had no scent at all. It just covered the offending scent without adding one of its own. People didn't like it, they need to know it works, hence the "clean" smell.

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u/Lazy_Title7050 2d ago

I wish they hadn’t I would totally buy something that just eliminates odor without adding another scent.

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u/MikeDeRebel 2d ago

That stuff is widely available.. Or at least a very light smell so you know the product works and where you sprayed.

This stuff is like magic!

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u/Skwigle 2d ago

Man can do what he wants, but he cannot want what he wants

Actually, he is saying there is no free will, period. It's a bit of a play on words, as a rebuttal to people who think that "doing what you want" is freewill.

He is saying, sure, you can "do what you want" but the want itself is not something you choose. It just comes to you.

If you hate chocolate and love vanilla, you will choose vanilla. Many people take this as some kind of proof that they have free will, because they "chose" vanilla. But really, if they hate chocolate, how is that really a choice? They wanted vanilla so they chose vanilla, but the want for vanilla is not "wanted", it just is.

A clearer way to say it would have been "you can do what you want but you can't choose what you want".

OP is just saying that because he understands that people don't really choose what they want, even if they want something horrible, he doesn't judge them for it because it's not really a choice.

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u/Poly_P_Master 2d ago

Another way to look at it is like this. (I don't recall the philosopher)

  1. You have no free will to choose yourself. You can't pick who your parents are, your genes, the epigenetics that created you, the manner in which your parents raised you, the society you were born into, or the environment you interact with. In that sense who you are is determined entirely by external factors.

  2. Any "decision" you make can be simplified into 1 of 2 types. The first is entirely based on the input from your environment coupled with the specific construction of your mind and body. That would be a deterministic decision. You took in input, processed it, and spit out an output. Obviously this is a horribly complex process when compared to a computer, but the basics are all the same. This cannot be considered free will because it is entirely determined by external factors.

  3. The second "decision" would be not deterministic, aka random. That is it is not based on environmental input, but random events occuring inside your mind or body. Whether or not these happen is debatable, but it would be the only other option for "decision" making, and random actions also would not be considered free will, as they occur without any control by definition.

Any way you cut it, free will is a myth, or at least it only maybe exists in a very narrow frame of reference. Like special relativity, where each observer can "correctly" observe reality even when it seemingly conflicts with another's observation, your personal free will could be said to exist from the frame of reference of your own consciousness, but everyone else would not have free will according to you. Likewise, each individual would have their own free will according to them, but anyone external would not.

So maybe the answer is no one has free will but also everyone has free will. Or maybe I just totally pulled that last part out of my ass.

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u/otokkimi 2d ago

It's a statement on the paradoxical nature of free will:

You are free to do what you desire, but what you desire is not up to you. To give a more topical example, when you are hungry, you can choose to eat what you want, but you are unable to control when you want to feel hungry. You just are.

In the context of this post, the parent comment is stating that he's reconciled with himself through this paradox that people will choose to take actions and decisions that would he himself would find nonsensical or abhorrent - because people can't choose their own desires.

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u/WoodstockSara 2d ago

Now it makes sense to me, thank you. This is why I want to smoke cigarettes.

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u/PancakeParty98 2d ago

They’re all just trying to prevent me from ending up here or worse. Bastards.

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u/GaryClarkson 2d ago

That’s the real facepalm here

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u/Cuppy5 2d ago edited 2d ago

Best part is when he says he won’t get the vaccine because it’s only emergency approved. Then they ask the doctor and he said so is the medication we treated you with.

Edit: I’m adding my link since a lot of people are commenting that what I said isn’t in this clip. I apologize I watched the evening news and this clip is from the morning news. Last 10 seconds the reporter says what I was referring to. https://youtu.be/Z391KqNX_tI

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u/intentsman 2d ago

When did he suddenly start trusting the FDA ?

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u/mostNONheinous 2d ago

Shhhh....I don’t think he realizes that’s the government.

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u/QueerWorf 2d ago

just like they don't realize ACA is the same thing as obamacare

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u/GrandmaPoses 2d ago

That line is so obviously something he, and too many others, read on Facebook. Never before have so many uneducated people been so involved in the intricacies of how medicines come to market.

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u/Brook420 2d ago

A buddy of mine was spouting some stuff about 140,000 ppl in the US dying from the vaccine. Asked where he heard this, and said Facebook..

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u/Stargurl4 2d ago

Seriously wtf happened to 'don't believe everything you read online'

Just so were clear I mean ur buddy and everyone else getting their news from memes and click bait headlines.

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u/the-full-bird 2d ago

I get all my news from memes. It’s how I found out that Jeff Bezos flew a dick to the moon.

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u/ZomNomNomBeeZ 2d ago

I get my news from you tubers reacting to pundits talking about the memes and the news. That way I know it's okay to feel angry at people that are saying things I dont want to hear, and I get to find new things to be mad about at the same time. It's a very efficient way to stay in a constant state of fear and anger. Thanks YouTube!

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u/gcso 2d ago

Guy at work said he watched a French doctor on Youtube say over 2 million people will die just from the vaccine over the next few years. He’ll believe some guy on youtube claiming to be a doctor but won’t believe real scientists and doctors in his home country.

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u/Brook420 2d ago

Because the french dude is saying what your coworker wants to believe.

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u/ollomulder 2d ago

Confirmation bias.

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u/Pink_Sky_ 2d ago

I’m so glad to find out everyone in the area I live has a relative or a friend who works at the CDC. Or they are in immunology or something else that allows them to tell me with great confidence why the masks don’t work. Or why vaccines don’t work. Or the best one is that I was told the distance doesn’t matter. The six feet rule. Cause if god wants you to get it. You gonna defy god?

If you can’t tell I’m from the south.

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u/BigbySamMelody 2d ago

These people literally just parrot what they hear. If you try to pull the thread on any of their catch phrases they'll get mad and confused really quick.

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u/ZomNomNomBeeZ 2d ago

People used to think that having access to more information would make everyone smarter. But really it just makes people feel smarter than they are.

"I did the research" used to mean going to a library, reading several expert publications, and perhaps conducting your own study or experiment. Now it just means "I saw a meme."

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u/MulderD 2d ago

I LOVE the “experimental” argument coming from right wingers.

They so so so could have used, “look, we told you too much government regulation was a bad thing, these pharma companies could have been researching and developing life saving drugs at lighting speed before, but NO the guberment wants to slow them down and make it hard…”

Instead they went the, “I’d rather suffer and die to own the libs.”

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u/prospect876 2d ago

What I don't get is their lord and savior, Trump got the vaccine. Most right-wing politicians are.

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u/kodosExecutioner 2d ago

Because most right-wing politicians probably arent that incredibly stupid, they just exploit these kinds of people to gain popularity and voters to gain power. But there are still a bunch of incredibly stupid people, don't get me wrong

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u/rubrent 2d ago

I don’t understand how they (GOP) dont realize that “passively” allowing their supporters to die is a good thing?

https://www.newsweek.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-refuses-reveal-if-she-has-been-vaccinated-when-quizzed-1611704

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u/Amazon-Prime-package 2d ago

Why should they give a fuck? They're changing laws to let state legislatures choose who was voted for. Once that is complete they don't need the unwashed rabble any longer. Like Hitler casting aside the brownshirts

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u/ThePinko 2d ago

This is actually an incredible point

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u/punkinfacebooklegpie 2d ago

Yeah but...ummm .... You didn't shove it down my throat, did ya??

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u/Grizzchops 2d ago

The government tells him what do every time he pays sales/property tax etc

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u/gitbse 2d ago

Or wear pants in public.

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u/Carbonnanolubes 2d ago

Or drives a car.

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u/JakeBuseySpaceMovie 2d ago

With a license.

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u/smakola 2d ago

Stopping at stop signs and lights.

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u/Sword117 2d ago

lol at yall sheeps who arnt dodging taxes and illegally driving.

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u/regoapps 2d ago

Jeff Bezos approves of this comment

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u/dieinafirenazi 2d ago

He goes on red and stops on green because he's a free person!

(but honestly, if you really believe in Libertarianism traffic laws are a huge infringement on our rights.)

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u/DarkwingDuckHunt 2d ago

The Free Market will decide who goes first

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u/HoneyBHunter 2d ago

I’m sure a green light will trickle down to me soon!

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u/Icepick823 2d ago

No joke, some libertarians are against driver's licenses, and when one actually supported those, that person got shat on.

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u/MarSc77 2d ago

oh my goodness. please stop! lol

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u/AngrySmart 2d ago

You can't tell me what to do!

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u/phoney_user 2d ago

Yeah, I'm gonna follow ALL these laws, and maybe someof the good suggestions, too!

How ya like them apples?

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u/fullstack40 2d ago

I suspect that is part of why this attitude about masks and vaccination is so prevalent. These folks feel like they have very little control over their lives so, like toddlers exploring boundries, they pick something that's 'optional' but really, really important and nope right out of it. They use all kinds of fantastical arguments to justify but the root is "I don't wanna and you can't make me! 🤧🤒🤢"

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u/WildlingViking 2d ago

How quickly and abrupt he was in his response to first question tells me he had been hard at work convincing himself he’s “right.”

Interviewer: “Would you get the….”

Dumb guy in hospital bed: “Nope. Nope, Nope.”

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u/Zlifbar 2d ago

Toddlers are experimenting. These people are being willfully ignorant and obtuse.

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u/BirdInFlight301 2d ago

And toddlers learn! If they stand up under a table and whack the heck out of their heads, they do not stand up under the table again! This guy is literally willing to go through Covid just to own the government!

My very mild case of Covid (March 2020) left me with damaged kidneys, scarred lungs, tachycardia, sudden onset and persistent high blood pressure, very high rate of inflammation, and liver enzymes through the roof. Also, I got to teeter-totter through parosmia or no sense of smell at all for 15 freaking months.

My liver has healed. My bouts of tachycardia are (crossed fingers) beginning to be further and further spaced apart, so hopefully my heart is recovering. My kidneys and lungs are permanently damaged, my blood pressure is still high, and I would give anything to have had a vaccine available to avoid this. I probably have a shortened life span due to surviving Covid.

People like this man make me furious.

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u/flugenblar 2d ago

He isn’t paying for his choice, out of pocket. If he has insurance, every member of his risk pool share in the cost. Nothing is free, and nobody is an island.

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u/koshgeo 2d ago

Toddlers learn. Adults ... it might be more frozen in.

Adult toddler: "I will place my hand on this burning hot stove as many times as I want to, and you can't stop me!"

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u/78sixsixsix 2d ago

I wonder if he has a driver license or social security card since it he has to have them

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u/titanicbuster 2d ago

Not to mention the government isn't even forcing him to get the vaccine. God these people are fucking dumb as god damn bricks.

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u/echo6golf 2d ago

The government tells you to do hundreds of things a day, and you do them. Such a useless "argument".

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u/nickiter 2d ago

Seriously, with all of the things the government makes you do, people are this mad about something the government is suggesting?

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u/echo6golf 2d ago

It fits their brand.

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u/FuriousTarts 2d ago

How dare they shove it down my throat!...

...by advertising it and giving it for free!

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u/theSHlT 2d ago edited 2d ago

Their agenda is to have me drive on the right side of the road. Their agenda is to have me eat meat that is USDA certified. 🤦‍♀️

Their agenda is to manipulate dumb fucks like you into screaming about “mah rites” to confuse the issue and ramp up your emotions. They are exploiting the Fuck out of you, hoping you die rather than embrace science.

Late EDITs Second “their” is the GQP politicians that manipulate the dumbfucks

2nd edit: A moment from the Simpsons just came to me.

Homer: I accuse the phone company of making that film on purpose!

Phone exec: of course we did(?)

Crowd: murmurs disapprovingly

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u/SkepticDrinker 2d ago

Wrong "their" it's "dare" like he said

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u/MisterMasterCylinder 2d ago

Not to mention the government hasn't "told" anyone to get the vaccine. They've asked and encouraged, even pleaded for people to get the vaccine, but it's still not forced on anyone. We'd all like these brain-deficient yokels to go get it so we can get on with life, but no one is being forced to get the vaccine by the government.

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u/Pal1_1 2d ago

Exactly! The government DIDN'T force him to have the vaccine, so he chose not to get it. Now he potentially has long covid, almost certainly has a large healthcare bill and very likely passed the virus onto friends, family and strangers, who all have the same problems now. All because the government DIDN'T force him to vaccinate.

What a fucking idiot.

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u/vlasvilneous 2d ago

Welp, this is what propaganda does to morons....

"THe gubbermant tells me I cant Fuck Sheep? IMMA FUCK SHEEP!!!!"

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u/SignificantError8929 2d ago

God that is so painful to watch. My IQ Dropped

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u/dododeeohdo 2d ago edited 2d ago

Is he someone’s employee? Father? This is a very special group of people and I wish I had a bajillion dollars to do a covert psychological study of this social phenomenon.

Who are they? How did they get this way? I mean they must have some redeemable value to society but just what in the actual could it possibly be?

I see this guy and I assume he is racist, misogynist, obsessively homophobic, xenophobic, a fundie Christian, doesn’t believe in human induced climate change, pushing alcoholism, owns more ammo than he will ever shoot, shops at Walmart, eats a massive amount of processed food and meat etc. Just a whole host of shittiness and then I stop and think, am I being fair?

Edit-forgot to add homophobic

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u/GoodGuyBuddyBoy 2d ago

He's just stupid

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u/broritto89 2d ago

They just did a new study on dumb people the results was 1. They are dumber than originally thought 2. They don’t even know they are dumb This shit is real lol

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u/Quelonius 2d ago

It's like those morons who drive on the soulder when there's a traffic jam. 1. They actually think they are smarter than everyone. 2. They are one the most selfish people that you will ever meet.

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u/SoulDoubt7491 2d ago

I've often been told that the smartest people you will ever meet are the people that know they are not, in fact, the smartest person you will ever meet.

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u/yungdumbbrokecam 2d ago edited 2d ago

The dumb people read something and think they know all there is to know about it, a smart person reads something and realises how much more there is left to learn about it. So the smarter you are, the less likely you are to act like a know it all, because you more than anyone know that you don't know it all at all.

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u/Zlifbar 2d ago

In fact, they're so dumb they've convinced themselves that they are smart and right.

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u/GlacierView8 2d ago

Evolution in action.

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u/StGir1 2d ago

Right? I’m gonna go ahead and guess that while he doesn’t think the government can tell him what to do, he fully expects them to dictate every aspect of everyone else’s existence. He should be able to do whatever he wants, but nobody else should have the right to marry who they want or reproduce how they deem fit.

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u/dicarlok 2d ago

I FEEL THE EXACT SAME WAY. I’ve never met anyone else who wants to do this. I want to study these people IN DEPTH. I want to know everything. Why are they the way that they are? How did this happen? Where did society go wrong? Can we stop it from happening in future generations?

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u/Actual__Wizard 2d ago

Okay. There's a perception thing going on here. You are thinking that they've had access to the same information as you and that's not true at all.

They likely grew up in a rural area where having a formal high school education was deemed to be unnecessarily and they likely get all of their information from word of mouth from people that they trust, who also likely do not have a high school education.

The knowledge gap between the information that you have and the information that they have is so wide, that they can *not* relate to people like you or me.

To us, we are outsiders and they automatically reject any information that we try to convince them of because we are not in their circle of people that they trust.

Contrary to our beliefs, this person's friends do have his best interests in mind, but from our perspective, it seems like they are feeding him total nonsense.

This is true because if he starts listening to us and rejecting the information that his friends are saying, then they will reject him and he will become an outsider.

There is unfortunately no good solution.

They just have to live their lives out and then die because that's what they want.

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u/AngrySmart 2d ago

I know a woman who was born into a wealthy family and married into more wealth. She has a law degree and is a trial lawyer. Money has never been an issue for her and she's had access to a great education. Before a hearing, she tells us "I identify as being vaccinated.. just like how these people can identify as being different genders."

I agree lack of education plays a significant role, but these types of outliers are almost more intriguing for me. Is it pure indoctrination from a parent's mindset, coupled with willful ignorance through adulthood? Would love to know!

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u/DaisyDuckens 2d ago

America has no respect for education. Kids in other countries have risked their lives for an education and Americans are just “durr durr durr mah guns mah rights” without even knowing what they’re talking about.

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u/WizDynasty 2d ago

I did job training with a 35 year old veteran last year... HE DIDNT KNOW WHAT ROMAN NUMERALS WERE.

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u/shinx32 2d ago

Somehow a satirical movie call Idiocracy cover this scenario by escalating it.

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u/SoftcoreScorn 2d ago

It seems to me that there’s a simple solution here: allow insurers to refuse to cover the cost of COVID care for individuals who are eligible and medically able to be vaccinated but have chosen not to.

The same people seem to oppose social welfare so why should the rest of us support the cost of their care and their choices?

When these people start getting multimillion bills, maybe getting a vaccine will look more appealing.

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u/AdjNounNumbers 2d ago

You'll get to hear them complain next year when their premiums have shot up higher than vaccinated people. Or when their employers have decided to carve out coverage for covid for unvaccinated from their health plans - yes, believe it or not, if you get your medical insurance through work and it's a bigger company (>100 employees) and something isn't covered, it's because your employer didn't want to pay for it

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u/JRTerrierBestDoggo 2d ago

“Don’t shove it down my throat”

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u/dantheman0991 2d ago

"Now if you'd please excuse me, the doctor need to shove a breathing tube down my throat."

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u/Snowstig 2d ago edited 2d ago

Yep, and instead of taking a free vaccine and preventing this, he's now taking up hospital resources and is strapped with thousands of dollars in hospital bills. He also most likely will end up being qualified as having a "pre-existing condition" down the road due to having had Covid. But he sure owned the libs!

Edit: a comma, formatting

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u/call_it_already 2d ago

Why are insurance companies not refusing to cover COVID treatment for the unvaccinated? What happened to the land of personal responsibility?

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u/Snowstig 2d ago

Good question!

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u/dlc741 2d ago

Why is he allowed to take up space in a hospital?

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u/Rubberbabybuggybum 2d ago

Why did he even go to a hospital in the first place if he doesn't believe in medicine?

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u/kstebbs 2d ago

This is the ultimate question.

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u/old_ironlungz 2d ago

Because he's sick from a fictitious but China-lab-made kung flu virus that doesn't attack white people but got him somehow because the vaccinated shed their Bill Gates 5g waves on him when he was at Cracker Barrel.

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u/SeizedCheese 2d ago

We can only hope he will learn his ultimate lesson soon.

But it sadly doesn’t look like he will.

Instead, because of modern medicine, he will get to continue dragging society down.

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u/Rubberbabybuggybum 2d ago

He'll learn...he'll learn that Hillary gave him the Kung Flu and vote in 2024 to elect Ron DethSentince for president.

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u/Apprehensive-Wank 2d ago

Yep, society cannot progress because people are allowed to be this dumb with no repercussions

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u/Separate-Aspect-2704 2d ago

Their agenda is to get you vaccinated….

So you don’t die moron!

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u/mateo0913 2d ago

Right! I wish the video didn’t cut out there. Let’s concede that the government does in fact have an agenda to get everyone vaccinated. I would like to hear the nefarious about conspiracy theories as to why that is a negative.

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u/Chasman1965 2d ago

My guess is either the microchip BS or the fertility BS.

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u/Eileithia 2d ago

Both of these always make me laugh.

The microchip BS - because these idiots are carrying around cell phones and posting on social media that literally tracks EVERYTHING you do.

The Fertility BS - because if you have no population, you have no taxes, which the government literally runs on.

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u/BigbySamMelody 2d ago

The fertility one does make sense if you imagine the elite are using it to save the planet in the least effort way possible: kill the plebs.

But then they'd have to admit that global warming is real, so they can't use that one.

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u/Eileithia 2d ago

Even that doesn't hold water. The elites need the plebs to do the work for as little compensations as possible.

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u/Hostilian_ 2d ago

Is "death within 6 months" not a common conspiracy for you lot? Every anti-vax from my country (Lithuanian), including my own dad, believe it'll kill almost every vaxxed individual within 6 months :(

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u/-ParticleMan- 2d ago

Not that it would matter, but people have been vaccinated since November and some even earlier

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u/icantgetmyownusernam 2d ago

These people are stupid beyond compare. The only reason they’re alive is because they’re being treated. We as taxpayers pay for it. We are paying to treat unvaxxed people. Ridiculous.

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u/SoulDoubt7491 2d ago

My bet is that insurance companies will soon be rolling out new rate hikes if you're not vaccinated. Same as they do with taxing tobacco users but, I'd bet quite a bit more hefty. He'll either pay or get the vaccine..... Or die.

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u/EarballsOfMemeland 2d ago

And he'll still blame the government when his insurance goes up

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u/mcg42ray 2d ago edited 2d ago

Hand him the hospital bill. Remind him that he chose a $100k hospital bill over a $20 vaccine

edit: to those insisting that the vaccine doesn't cost anything ...

Pfizer and BioNTech have set the initial price at $19.50 a dose

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u/RockyMountainHigh- 2d ago

Free here in the US.

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u/hdhomestead 2d ago

Maybe that was the problem. We should have charged $20 to make it seem valuable and less of a government thing being pushed on people.

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u/eshinn 2d ago

Could have taken any one of those vaccines, labeled it as a separate product line of “The Trump Premium China-Flu Shot” and sold it for like $800 (just out of reach) and they would put up a 2nd mortgage to get it – especially in-line since trump said he’d make it available to his people for free.

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u/EarAtAttention 2d ago

A Trump approved shot. With a Trump signature stamped on the syringe that can be passed on to the recipient as a keepsake. Only 110 million available.

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u/axearm 2d ago

Jesus H Christ, how do we do this. I mean seriously, this is a huge money making potential.

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u/EpicLegendX 2d ago

Imagine if Trump were competent. He could have made a lot of money grifting through more "ethical" means in a way that benefitted him AND society.

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u/undercoversinner 2d ago

Yea, make it a $500 shot, but there's this coupon code on some websites that discounts it 100%. The perceived value would surely have gotten some of these dummies to vaccinate.

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u/SoupsUndying 2d ago

Nope nope, it should be free, and if they don’t wanna take it cuz “communism” then thats on them

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u/booradleyhd 2d ago

100% - if some places require it for access to certain events/spaces/jobs, it needs to be a right not a privilege

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u/GroundbreakingSoil4 2d ago

“How will you feel when the hospital sends you THEIR itemized agenda?”

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u/cloudlocke_OG 2d ago

From my understanding, the Philippines is mandating unvaccinated travellers a two-week hotel quarantine upon landing at one's own cost. I pointed out to colleague (who is vaccine-hesitant) that if/when she returns to visit the Philippines in November, being vaccinated would save her over $1,000 US.

"Yeah, I don't know...." was the response.

My goodness.

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u/5GCovidInjection 2d ago

Can’t argue with that kind of person any further. You will lose the most if you do. Let her throw away her money and waste 14 days of her life in what she will consider to be the equivalent of 14 years in prison. All because she’s scared of two needles.

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u/LiteraCanna 2d ago

Have a coworker from Arizona that won't take the vaccine because "we don't know the longterm effects".... years ago when I first met him, he told me about all the acid he used to take in college.

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u/Royal_Ad9109 2d ago

He’s a small business owner who hunts in Africa - the bill will be paid out of his employees’ salaries and benefits cuts

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u/MarquisdeStowe 2d ago

He should have realised the Dr was in cahoots with the government to send him to hospital to save his life. Mofo shoulda refused and dropped down dead to get the last laugh.

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u/relas 2d ago

No taxpayer dollars toward his medical bills

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u/unlikedemon 2d ago

He'll probably start a gofund me account and get his friends to pay for it. Then he'll then praise god that he didn't die and was eventually "healed".

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u/LeCrushinator 2d ago

It'll be everyone's insurance premiums in that pool going up because of stupidity like this.

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u/whofearsthenight 2d ago

I wonder what happens if the insurance companies can deny COVID treatment for unvaccinated. This is a bad idea because it will be richly abused I'm sure, but I wonder...

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u/Me-Mongo 2d ago edited 2d ago

Well, now the only thing being "shoved down your throat" is an endotracheal tube, so I suppose you are happy?

He really owned the libs by requiring hospitalization, didn't he? Good for you dude! 🤦

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u/rorointhewoods 2d ago

He should have refused that too. What a sheep.

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u/Me-Mongo 2d ago

Yeah, it's just the hospital bureaucracy's way of controlling you and making you dependent on their oxygen. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!

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u/eshinn 2d ago edited 2d ago

Oh wait. This one goes in your ear, this one goes in your bit butt and this one goes in your mouth.

…hurry up asshole!!

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u/Ursula2071 2d ago

I will never understand why these assholes decide to go to the hospital. It is just the flu… no biggie.

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u/Spaceturtle79 2d ago

Haha, it only makes sense

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u/MrsSalmalin 2d ago

If you don't believe in science or medicine for yourself, fine, be that stupid. But dont refuse the vaccines medicine then use ventilators and IVs and trained health professionals. More hypocrisy:(

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u/RickyRosayy 2d ago

I get it, now. Their agenda is to vaccinate you with their agenda…wait.

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u/eshinn 2d ago

So if the agenda was to get him to eat that McRib, he’d switch to something else.

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u/therealavishek 2d ago

It's that liberal agenda of...

Keeping people healthy and alive that he disagrees with.

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u/drizzy9109 2d ago

Imagine paying for all of those treatments and procedures instead of getting a free vaccine lol

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u/SaltyBawlz 2d ago

It's ironic that these people won't trust the doctors who tell them to get vaccinated, but will then believe in science enough to go to the hospital when they get sick and trust the same doctors to make them better.

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u/dododeeohdo 2d ago

Is it just me or does he make it sound like an invitation?

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u/Aussie-of-Skellige 2d ago

Is it bad I want him to get a secondary bacterial infection from the tube?

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u/Material-Strike-1923 2d ago

I bet he has a hunting license. Driver license. Stops at stop signs. Wears his seat belt. Sends his kids to school. But yeah, no governemnt tells him what to do.

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u/sickhippie 2d ago

Wears his seat belt.

Actually, around the time the whole COVID misinformation started up, my wife's stepdad stopped wearing his seat belt because "It's the government telling me what to do". I wish I was kidding.

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u/kingbuttshit 2d ago

Reminds me of when Obama came into office and my dad freaked out about him taking our guns. My dad had never owned a gun. When I pointed that out, he went out and bought one to prove the government couldn’t take it from him.

Pretty self-awarewolf moment tbh

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u/Cuttis 2d ago

Obama actually expanded gun rights by allowing people to carry inside National Parks. So that’s 48 million more acres where people can carry

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u/DutchEngineer83 2d ago

Good on him , that’s where you have no cellphone reception and you actually are on your own for your safety

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u/_Mr_Spuddy 2d ago

Bullshit this guy stops at stop signs or wears his seatbelt

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u/nick7070 2d ago

He is actually shoving his agenda on people. The agenda? For people to suffer and possibly die from covid so that he can claim he's not a sheep. He rather be stupid than a sheep. Not a sheep because he's stupider than a sheep.

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u/Chasman1965 2d ago

The ironic thing is that I bet he professes to be a Christian. It’s pretty clear in the New Testament that we Christians are the sheep, and Jesus is our shepherd.

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u/AboynamedDOOMTRAIN 2d ago

There was a video last summer of an actual minister sitting in his truck going on and on and on for probably 15 minutes about how he's not a sheep and it was the funniest god damn thing I've ever watched. All I could think about was how he's probably called himself and his entire congregation lambs or sheep or referred to them as a flock and now he's over here acting like it's the worst possible slur.

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u/out_caste 2d ago

What blows my mind is that he is trying to claim they are forcing him to get vaccinated, yet it is completely voluntary, and the proof is he literally chose not to be vaccinated.

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u/Alexandurrrrr 2d ago

THeiR AgENdA

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u/Minegrow 2d ago

To this man, the very word “agenda” is an argument. His smugness when asked why the government would shove down a vaccine on its citizen and he responds with a “well that’s their agenda”. Double wtf

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u/JPRCR 2d ago

How could you be so stupid?

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u/theSHlT 2d ago

He believes you are only stupid if you admit to being stupid. There is no objective reality anymore

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u/rorointhewoods 2d ago

I refuse to let the government recommended ways to keep myself and others healthy! These types of evil agendas are what’s wrong with the world today. /s

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u/wizardshawn 2d ago

I haven't seen a single instance, anywhere in the world, let alone the United States, of people being forced to take the Covid vaccine. How is "giving advice," being told what to do? Did his mother once say, "You should be nice to people." Is that why he's such an asshole?

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u/Rich-Fill2200 2d ago

I hope hospital charges him and if he's on private medical plan that they go after him

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u/Rubberbabybuggybum 2d ago

I wonder after the FDA fully approves the vaccines if insurers will refuse to cover/jack up coverage for non-vaccinated people?

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u/Merreck1983 2d ago

I hope they do. The rest of our premiums go up to deal with these selfish assholes.

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u/SenpaiSusu 2d ago

“What are they lying to you about facts?”

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u/fuck-goofs 2d ago

stupidity is the real pandemic

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u/FinAdartse 2d ago

Wild. Gaining hospital debt to own the libs.

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u/no33limit 2d ago

Hey buddy, stepping off that bridge might hurt.

Fuck you, don't force me to not jump off a bridge.

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u/sevyn183 2d ago

Don’t get the vaccine and pay 200000 for a hospital stay. That makes sense

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u/FortunateInsanity 2d ago

The classic stubborn mentality where he’d do it if no one told him to do it, but now he won’t do it because someone told him to do it. It’s a behavioral condition where a portion of the cognitive brain never develops past adolescence, therefore even a basic risk/reward analysis will always be skewed by his ego.

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u/legalizemonapizza 2d ago

Okay, but did the government even tell him to do it? The government told him he should do it, and gave him the choice. And he chose not to take it, because he doesn't like not being given a choice.

My head hurts.

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u/belletheballbuster 2d ago

Big Oxygen WANTS you intubated

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u/Deadmemories8683 2d ago

It still boggles my mind that people are that fucking stupid

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u/dfs495 2d ago

No cure for stupid. Only unnecessary death.

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u/Rubberbabybuggybum 2d ago

If he's not vaccinated, he'll probably get it again once his antibodies wear off.

Covid isn't going anywhere, especially not in republican America.

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u/Negative_Gift1622 2d ago

I'm from Mississippi and *SHOCKER* we're last in vaccination with only 37%. Living in an ignorant red state is infuriating.

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u/gregorianballsacks 2d ago

And science was used by a bunch of medical professionals to save his ass. I'd make a shit nurse/doctor. I wouldn't be able to give these people good care.

"Today's agenda... Looks like I can move Mr. Moron in room 5 to the bottom of my to-do list."

Ugh. I can only imagine their frustration.

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u/Monarch119 2d ago edited 2d ago

Too bad there is no vaccine for stupidity.

How does one convince these muppets that the vaccines are safe.

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u/bttrflyr 2d ago

Weird hill to die on but at least he’ll be dead.

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u/Johnford1963 2d ago

Ironically the government isn’t telling (forcing) him, or anyone, to do anything. Strongly recommending, but not telling. So he’s sick because he doesn’t understand basic Science and logic.

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u/CallMeBigOctopus 2d ago

Do these people really think “the government” wants to vaccinate people just for the sake of having them vaccinated? It’s to keep people alive and out of the hospital, you fucking dunce!

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u/PureNRGfanboy44 2d ago

LMAO!!!! Imagine fucking dying to own the libs! Not gonna lie, I feel for his family.

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u/msr2020 2d ago

This is actually pretty normal. I had a buddy who contracted it and then infected his parents. They were sick for like 2 weeks. And I mean in bed sick. My mom calls his mom and asks them if they are vaccinated cause we were gonna invite them to a family party. My buddy’s family says “no, we are not getting vaccinated. We don’t trust the vaccinate. They came up with it too fast.” So even though they got super sick from COVID they still didn’t get vaccinated.

So if these people die because of their ignorance. Let them die. Sorry.

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u/ExjwReborn 2d ago

How do people even function being this goddamn stupid?

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u/BulkyPreparation9 2d ago

Modern civilization has made it far too easy to survive.

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u/lundgrenisgod 2d ago

I want to know what he perceives to be the government’s “master plan”.

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u/Arithik 2d ago

People really think they are true rebels against the government while still paying taxes, working for the rich, and supporting the police(if they are on their side).

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u/Roadgoddess 2d ago

The more he talked, the stupider he sounded. Good god

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u/maniatreks 2d ago

Some people just remain stupid forever.

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u/CrownedLime747 2d ago

“The agenda is to get you vaccinated.” Well no shit, it’s to stop you from getting sick.

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u/crazykitty123 2d ago

Stupid is as stupid does.

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u/Less-Raspberry-6222 2d ago

I'll just waste all your time and medical resources that could best be used by others who are more vulnerable..

The selfishness never ends.

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u/CarlosDeeGee 2d ago

So he would've got it if doctors didn't advise people to get it????

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u/Reno83 2d ago

Driver's license, registration fees, mandatory liability insurance, vehicle emissions inspections, speed limits, state and federal income tax, SSI deductions (social security, Medicare, and Medicaid), sales tax, hunting license, gun background check, property taxes, general laws, statutes, and ordinances... vaccines? Hell no! Government won't tell me how to live my life.

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u/JakeBuseySpaceMovie 2d ago

Shocked to see someone who hunts big game in Africa be anti-vaccine. Shocked I tell you!

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u/moscowrules 2d ago

Their agenda is to… save your life? It’s hard to wrap your head around this level of stupidity.