r/OnePiece Feb 27 '21

One Piece: Chapter 1005 - Theories and Discussion Discussion

Chapter 1005

Post all your theories and discussions for the current chapter in this thread.

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u/2-2Distracted Mar 01 '21

Might as well copy my comment here too

At this point, all a male character has to do is identify as female and Sanji would dead before he reaches the any of the 3 'royal' jobbers lmaooo, or the rooftop for that matter.

Last chapter discussion I copied said that:

"I don't need Sanji to start kicking women in the face to grow as a character, but I do need to see him grow. I'm tired of him getting beat by some nobody just because she's a woman; if you can't fight her... then don't or at the very least, outsmart her. And if you brag about getting ahead by taking out a major player (a tobi roppo), then you better damn well do it. Sanji has been coming up short for a long while now, he's a complete disappointment and instead of Zoro telling Luffy to stop messing around, he should direct it at Sanji"

And thankfully Oda did exactly that this chapter and more... in like the most underwhelming and dumbest way possible since the last time he put Sanji in such a stupid position. Out of the risk of writing an ever longer wall of text that would just end up detailing why I really don't like Zoro, Luffy and more importantly Sanji anymore since the time skip began, I'll just maintain that this whole character development/growth/arc/whatever-cheap-excuse-One-Piece-fanboys-like-to-come-up-with 'thing' for Sanji doesn't really change my view on (some of the previously discussed reasons for) why I and others are disappointed with him, if anything it just adds an extra reason to the surprisingly small pile.

And speaking of excuses, here are some of the top ones that people have been coming up with for both this chapter and this whole scenario.

  1. It was pretty much a bad match up for Sanji even if did fight Black Mariah and co. He uses fire and apparently that does not help, whereas Brooke evidently uses Ice and Robin uses character competence, both are things that this simp just doesn't have.

  2. Him being captured was actually a good thing because BM couldn't keep her mouth shut when she blabbed about how the surveillance system works as well as her location. It not only allowed everyone to now know about that shit, and thus know that Kaido was able to spy on everyone, but also deal with it too.

  3. Sanji and Robin now have a connection about needing to be saved when things were at their worst for each of them. Robin's case was a hell of a lot better than Sanji's tho, that's for sure lol. Overall this just helped with their dynamic and showed that Sanji has grown from his other incredibly stupid character flaw of not wanting to rely on his friends and comrades.

There are other excuses that exist but these are the biggest ones I've seen so far. And since two can play at this game, there's also this beauty I found that exemplifies why OP fanboys should probably call themselves the StrawMan Pirates lmao.

I guess it's a good thing for the damage control team that Oda pulled out yet another offscreen moment with Sanji this arc, like he did when our simp "fought" that other jobber Page One in his discount Iron Man suit. And yet he could have used that suit to go invisible and go about his business (like he did when he used it to achieve one of his unfunny dreams, much to the excuse that he was trying to save the ladies) of saving that woman that he thought was going to be raped.

Or use his Observation Haki to dodge everyone trying to capture his chivalrous ass, it's not like he needed Future Sight to get away from a bunch of fodder that were clearly weaker than him, but I guess if he did that then he'd hurt their feelings and our simp probably doesn't have the willpower to let that happen lmao.

Overall, the only good thing that came out of this whole crap plot was that Oda finally remembered that Robin isn't just a tig 'ol bitty lookalike that can't be involved in actual fights and battles with named characters. So kudos there too.

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u/Bikebag Feb 28 '21

Sanji has become such a letdown of a character, all he does nowadays is make stupid faces and get caught. It wouldn't be as bad if it only happened every now and then but it happens way too frequently. The dynamic of relying on someone other than just the monster trio was alright and giving other characters to shine is cool, but did it really have to happen this way, with Sanji, again?

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u/Cultural_Net_2016 Feb 28 '21

Why people talk about sanji. This chapter is literally for ROBIN The Devil Child. Sanji's scenes are just comic reliefs.

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u/bleaker_ Feb 28 '21

brook will see black maria's panties.. yohoho

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u/SuperNerd6527 Feb 28 '21

Chapter 1000: Straw Hat Luffy

Chapter 1005: Devil Child (Nico Robin)

I think we're gonna get one chapter named for each crew member

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u/Silent_Horror5443 Feb 28 '21

That’s what I was thinking awhile ago. It would be pretty cool to see a chapter named “God Usopp” haha

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u/SuperNerd6527 Feb 28 '21

he's defo gonna play a major role in figuring out what's up with these eye people too

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u/sckrahl Feb 28 '21

Not enough focus on that last line from Robin, she’s come full circle

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u/VerbalEmissions Feb 28 '21

I can honestly say I don’t hate sanji but he is one of my least liked one piece character. Zoro would give his dream and his life to Save luffy. Sanji wouldn’t even slap a hoe cuz of of some useless code he holds.

Like not hitting a defenceless woman of course. Not hitting a member of cp9 with robin on the line is just a dumb loser. Right now they are fighting 2 yonko with wano on the line if he actually gets captured because he won’t hit a girl just resign from the straw hats and go home.

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u/randalthor1404 Feb 28 '21

Totally agree, he is just sexist af but on the other side of scale

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u/BillyElKid Feb 28 '21

Did you read/watch WCI? Sanji's chivalry isn’t a child whim, is actually like a “promise” with Zeff, ¿How could he betray the only man who show some kindness and love to him? (Especially considering Sanji's past). Moreover, remember that both zoro AND SANJI were willing to gave their lives (and his dreams) for Luffy. I can assure you that Zoro would do the same if something betray his swordsman code, in fact, a proof of this is zoro doing the same “stupid shit” as when he refuses to move back with Mihawk's knife in his heart ( and consequently risking his life stupidly and break his promise with Kuina) just for “selfishness” (actually his swordsman code). Its funny how you despise Sanji but glorify Zoro when this two behave in a similar way only because you like more Zoro's beliefs.

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u/VerbalEmissions Feb 28 '21

Does my dislike of sanjis ability to defend his crew and willingness to let his crew die or worse as long as he doesn’t have to break a promise which clearly means more offended you?

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u/R4INZy World Government Feb 28 '21

Um you do understand that Sanji is a fictional character written by an author and does not have a life or motives of his own. Go home? TF man chill. Even I prefer Zoro but hating on a fictional character with such intensity is stupid .

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u/VerbalEmissions Feb 28 '21

Wait sanji isn’t a real boy?

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u/R4INZy World Government Feb 28 '21

Hard as it is to believe, but he is in fact proven to be fictional.

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u/VerbalEmissions Feb 28 '21

Well thank the lord you were here or this could have gotten out of hand. Your expertise in the real of telling fiction from reality is unparalleled. Your mother raised a winner 👍

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u/R4INZy World Government Feb 28 '21

Means a lot man. If you ever run into trouble telling fictional characters from real ones you know who to go to. :-)

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u/paing997 Marine Feb 28 '21

Now CP0 know where they will find Nico Robin will they came their when Robin finish Maria?? We Will see..

Don't think that we will see who is that 10th member even in this Chapter. Chapter will mostly cover Robin vs Maria. And Sanji meeting Jack before he enter that room.. I want Jimbe fight....

There will be Break and then chapter we will see that 10th person.

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u/Not2famous Feb 28 '21

I love how when the other strawhata hear that sanji gets captured, they immediately know that he's fighting a women. Really shows how much respect that they have in each other.

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u/Money_dragon Feb 28 '21

So Luffy-Zoro-Sanji were always considered the Monster Trio. But does that term even make sense anymore now that Jinbe is part of the crew? If we're talking about strongest fighters in the crew, Jinbe has to be included.

Obviously Jinbe isn't as strong as Luffy (and probably weaker than Zoro?), but I hope his power doesn't get nerfed / discounted after joining the crew. This guy low-diffed a Shichibukai (Moria) at Marineford pre-timeskip

I hope he gets to do more this arc than simply beating a Flying Six - maybe he takes down Queen and Sanji takes down King?

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u/Persas12 Feb 28 '21

Maybe Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe become Luffy's "Commanders" similar to the Calamities and Sweet Commanders.

BTW I think Jinbe is currently stronger than Sanji, but as the series goes Sanji will end up becoming stronger than him.

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u/niblaw Thriller Bark Victim's Association Feb 28 '21

I don’t think any trio exists anymore. Everyone is starting to become very strong in the crew

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u/tashako Feb 28 '21 edited Feb 28 '21

Where are the rest of the big mom pirates? I expect to see them in the next chapter.

I expect them to be divided into two groups where one group is in the mindset of Perorin and thus allies with Straw Hats temporarily to kill the alliance between Big Mom and Kaido while the other group helps big mom directly.

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u/Kordell81 Feb 28 '21

Everything’s floating in the air rn, so they can’t show up till Kaido decides to land

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u/SuperGogetto Prisoner Feb 28 '21

The rest of the BM pirates are stuck in their ship outside wano, unable to help in any way.

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u/EZPZ24 Feb 28 '21

Enel reveal waiting room

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u/koo_sean1500 Feb 28 '21

Cant wait for Sanji v Jack

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u/skylarisabitch Feb 28 '21

Why do you think they’ll match up?

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u/jomacool Feb 28 '21

They both goin to where the scabbards are

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u/skylarisabitch Feb 28 '21

Oooh shiiiit, thats gnna be awesome!!!

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u/koo_sean1500 Mar 03 '21

The way Oda is setting it up that’s what it’s looking like And especially how sanji was used in ch 1005 he needs a win lol

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u/skylarisabitch Mar 03 '21

That would be amazing.

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u/mou_daijoubu_da Feb 28 '21

Many poeple are not ok on how Sanji asked for help. I think Oda already know this is comming from his audience. Some characters even reacted negatively to share the audience reactions. A guy said "How pathetic" Nami said "Seriously? he must be up against a woman.." Strawhats tend to have weakpoints even in serious situations. Luffy not following plans. Zorro getting lost during crucial times and Sanji needing help in fights against women.Heck even ussop is still immobilized when he is scared. Strawhats dont take these flaws negativelyand just move on. Everyone has their pros and cons. Its up to their nakama to cover everyone's weakness.

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u/sharkero69 Feb 28 '21

Nicely pointed out, everyone have flaws, every Zoro. But things will always turn out well, as they have each other for support

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u/zoromaz Feb 28 '21

Exactly. That's why I love every fucking one if them

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u/Gapi182 Feb 28 '21

people will probably downvote me and defend this cuz they rate every chapter a 5/5 but honestly these situations Sanji is finding himself in are starting to become kinda poorly written to me. It's a shame really, the chapter was pretty good if we ignore that but currently it seems like abilities and power levels are absolutely useless cuz you can just write someone into any situation apparently. Not the quality I expect.

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u/WYWHPFit Feb 28 '21

I liked the symbolic meaning behind this situation and so I am not disturbed by the weak plot. Also, Sanji was always someone who didn't think straight when women were involved so I really don't see a problem with him being fooled by Black Maria's trap.

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u/milkyjoe241 Feb 28 '21

I agree it's not well written, but for a different reason. I think Oda could have gotten the same message across with less. Oda spent a lot of pages on this with setup, fluff, payoff. Cutout the fluff and just do setup (sanji going to help a woman, getting trapped in webs by black maria) to payoff (we see him trapped in webs but he did defeat every man, Sanji calls for Robin to help, she and brook free him and he runs off).

I think Oda could have gotten across Robin's bad ass moment with Sanji even asking for help immediately. Back when Sanji said "don't underestimate Robin", he could have followed that immediately with "Robin, I need to be saved, this lady wants to fights you". Robin clowns on her ass and shows she has no fear of stepping in for Sanji.

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u/Acustic77 Feb 28 '21

Well you need expect unexpected...when fans expect that way, Oda normally move another way...when fans complaint, he double down on that idea...at this point Oda a bit unstopable to do what he want to do...I doubt even his editor can change his mind now...to allow even this scene exist...Im fine with this setup tho because when I see Black Maria at first time, I got this feeling Sanji will fall in her TRAP...literally because her lore already exist make thing a bit easy to predict.

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u/milkyjoe241 Feb 28 '21

I'm not complaining about the setup. Just the fluff between the setup and payoff.

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u/No_Gas_9609 Feb 28 '21

Oh no, it's not written like a typical shonen manga. The male protagonist must always save the day. I hate this shit, women don't get to be heroes, amirite?

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u/Upstairs_Ad339 Feb 28 '21

shut yo ass up

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u/Gapi182 Feb 28 '21

She's literally one of my favourite straw hats and that was the best part of the chapter lol. I don't mind Sanji crying to Robin for help. My issue was with the way he was caught. Seems like he forgot all his abilities or something

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u/catstuff22 Feb 28 '21

I think you forgot his character instead. Obviously the gag is that he can't fight back against women, which includes avoiding attacks that trap him, hence why he didn't used CoA haki. Calling it poorly written because it doesn't comfort to your shonen stereotypes is ignorant.

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u/Gapi182 Feb 28 '21

but it's still a classic shonen stereotype lol. What so the only way Robin can be useful is cuz Sanji can't fight women so she has to step in? Why not make her fight Jack and smack him around with her giant arms? I guess it doesn't fit the shonen stereorypes huh. This was beyond predictable why are you acting like this is some out of the box thinking and writing never seen in a shonen?

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u/OMellito Feb 28 '21

which includes avoiding attacks that trap him.

That is entirely your headcannon. He blocked Big Mom so by your standards he should have taken that hit.

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u/WYWHPFit Feb 28 '21

I don't think he didn't dodge because of his policy on fighting women, I think he wasn't in the right mindset to do so. Also fighting an ability user is always tricky because you don't know the extent of their power and this makes the difference. That's what happened with Khalifa as well.

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u/soge_king420 Slave Feb 28 '21

It’s almost like power levels are not the be all end all in the series and strong characters can get bested by weaker characters in certain situations.

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u/Gapi182 Feb 28 '21

Yeah especially if it's written well. Look at HxH

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u/Jimbediesspoiler3d2y Feb 28 '21

Sanji definitely hasn't been ideal lately, but robin really needed that scene. She's such a BA but hasn't had a good fight in a while. I hope we see some cool stuff with her vs Black Maria.

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u/Gapi182 Feb 28 '21

yeah I was glad it happened just not the way it happened. I've always wanted more epic Robin and Zoro fights and hopefully we'll get them now. Robin has an incredibly OP devil fruit and mostly just uses it to support the straw hats. I feel like she could absolutely demolish some enemies lol :D. I'm always the most curious about her out of all the strawhats. Where she was, what she's planning, how she'll be fighting,... such a great character IMO

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u/fixed-point-learning Feb 28 '21

Black Maria's fruit doesn't make sense... Is it her trousers that ate it or something??

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u/WYWHPFit Feb 28 '21

I think it is just an aesthetical choice to make her look like a yokai.

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u/milkyjoe241 Feb 28 '21

One possibility is the spider is the devil fruit user, the lady on top is a puppet being controlled.

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u/GabeSandstorm Feb 28 '21

Oda is crazy enough that this could actually be the case!

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u/Penegal Feb 28 '21

It could be the hybrid form. We’ll see. I would suggest it was more of those fantasy spiders with half a woman on the head but it did say it was an ancient zoan, so that’s out

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u/RHCProy Feb 28 '21

Marco is an ancient zoan type but a pheonix is also a fantastic (?) creature

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u/Penegal Feb 28 '21

No, I believe he is one of the few mythical zoans we know of

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u/RHCProy Feb 28 '21

Oh yeah that's right

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u/Gorillaradio88 Feb 27 '21

Inb4 Basil Hawkins uses that power up card on Sanji and he clutches the war.

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u/fluorophoregreen Feb 27 '21

prediction:

sanji will fight jack now when they meet. while jacks coo wont be something slecial he will be able to smell the invisible sanji with his trunk

CP0 will try to go after robin again after now knowing where they can find her.

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u/Shepok Feb 28 '21

Will it all be Enies Lobby again after Wano?

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u/fluorophoregreen Feb 28 '21

i hope not tbh...but i doubt cp0 will do nothing this whole war

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u/newaccwhodis371 Feb 27 '21

I always love that Brook gag where he finds other creatures freaky even though he’s a freaky one too.

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u/KING-Jotaro Feb 27 '21

The best one was in Whole Cake were people think he tore his face of when he unmasks and he gets offended.

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u/KING-Jotaro Feb 27 '21

I hope Brook gets his own fight to be focused on, I want him to have his own moments too.

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u/fredericktannz Cipher Pol Feb 27 '21

I kinda hoping the same thing.

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u/seacen Feb 27 '21

The shonen fan in me really wants a Brooke fight, but the dnd nerd in me knows the bard shouldn't be going solo.

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u/Vodkaret Feb 27 '21

This Sanji subplot has been one of the worst things in One Piece.

  1. They're racing to the rooftop as the Scabbards are fighting for their lives and Sanji decides to abandon all that and fall into such an obvious trap. You would think that winning the war so that his crew and friends i.e Kinemon and the Scabbards as well as thousands of innocents subjicated to the atrocities by Kaido would would take more priority given their situation but ah 'it's his character guys'.

  2. How forced can it be to fall into such a moronic trap when your observation haki is so good? On top of that you have an invisible raid suit like come on literally Oda is throwing all the logic out of the window so that Sanji ends up in this same situation again and the result is always the same. Wiki states that ' He can sense the presence, strength, emotions, and intent of others, and was even able to dodge a jellybean shot by Charlotte Katakuri despite Katakuri having a higher level of Kenbunshoku Haki', yet he fell for this obvious trap in a WAR, bruh.

  3. So he managed to defeat all the men meaning that he could clearly move and attack and then decided to not escape when he can literally sky walk? Or put on his suit and escape invisible? Where is the logic in all this? Again where is the priority and urgency of this dude when his crew realistically should be wiped out in this war as they're facing two yonkous, where one of the yonkous one shotted your captain effortlessly a week or two ago?

  4. He can't use haki because it might hurt black Maria, this is just so bad I can't even put into words. He would rather die and abandon all his friends and crew mates because he's scared of hurting a female terrorist if he was to defend himself from damage. If the plot wasn't so stupid and forced black maria could literally slice off both his legs making him a cripple and useless and he would be fine with that as long as he doesn't harm a female. This is literally the definition of being selfish.

  5. Imagine this scenario where King or Queen are moments from killing Chopper, Nami, Usopp pretty much anyone from the crew that isn't Jinbei since they're all far too weak for the commanders and Sanji is locked up by Black Mari lmao. Apparently in his mind as long as no harm is coming to a female terrorist nothing else matters when he should be dealing with the commanders. Yes NONE of the strawhats won't die because of plot armour, that doesn't change the fact that Sanji would rather not harm a female instead of preventing their deaths.

  6. Nobody cares that Sanji doesn't hit a female in regards to his own life and safety. People are upset over the fact that his actions and principles take a higher priority over the safety of his crew and friends. Again imagine the scenario where he has to kill/attack and knock out black Maria and escape immediately or King and Queen will wipe out half his crew, do you guys think Sanji would do it? Nope he won't. And there is not a single person alive in the world that would follow this principle. If you gave a condition to any other Strawhat when it comes to their 'weakness' and that they had to overcome it otherwise their crew would die, I doubt any of them would chose their princple over the safety of their crew. It's that simple. And it's not even that fact that he has to harm an innocent female, it's literally a terrorist like how stupid can this entire thing be. This has nothing to do with strength or wanting Sanji to display powerful moments like Zoro, it's wanting him to not be selfish and grow as character and realise that his princples are a higher priortiy than his crew. Nobody can relate to this struggle because it's completely illogical.

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u/Bikebag Feb 28 '21

Even if it wasn't a trap, it's so fucking stupid to imagine Sanji running off to fuck some girls in an enemy harem while his crew and friends are fighting for their and everyone elses life and independence.

This all after we had the huge redemption arc in WCI, like really?

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u/2-2Distracted Mar 01 '21

Apparently he was trying to save a woman from getting raped, still doesn't at all excuse why didn't just use his damn raid suit to go in stealthily and take care of business.

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u/wakedywack Feb 28 '21

While I agree the situation did not need to happen I don't think it's bad writing at all. I think Oda just chose to prioritize sanjis mental development (not burdening himself) and robin over sanjis utility ( I agree he definately should've been able to escape). I wish Oda showed more panels about his encounter showing how he got caught so it'd make more sense .

I don't agree with the comment about if his crewmates were in danger tho. It's not that he won't hit her, it's that he cannot. It's like asking luffy to save someone from drowning. His crewmates know that and wouldn't blame him at all if they die because of it.

In the end I'm not mad that this happened, and I'm sure Sanji gonna make it up 10x fold later on

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u/Sanmeel305 Feb 28 '21

That's the thing he puts women before his crew's aim and don't even run like a mf even though he know he can't do nothing.

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u/Tridekarion Feb 28 '21

Well you could argue that he does not actually know of his weakness. Either Oda set it up as a gag and a kind of sarcastic remark of sanji, but he does say something like „i don‘t know how i ended up like this“ right when he is actually fleeing the scene.

So either a) it was „just“ some kind of comedic element for Sanji to say that, or b) he actually happens to end up in such situations and still does not realise how he always ends up unable to do anything.

imho Sanji could have done many things to escape, like his raidsuit, skywalk, etc. but it makes for a more captivating read if the protsgonists are already wounded and exhausted before facing their biggest enemies and still overcome them. (also: Sanjis character-growth can‘t be showcased in any better way then this, i think)

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u/EZPZ24 Feb 28 '21

That's the thing he puts women before his crew's aim

Consider that all of the Strawhats know he does this (look at Nami's reaction this chapter) and they still want him to be in the crew so strongly that WCI happened.

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u/RenjiSnapback07 Feb 28 '21

12&3 I agree with. 4 as distasteful as it was, I was cool with it made sense. However he doesn't harm black Maria by using his raid suit and running away. He doesn't harm black Maria by using his observation haki to detect the female in distress "Black Maria's" intentions and not trap himself so I don't know how Oda can weseal out of that...

His gonna fall for a trap and possibly kill himself deliberately cause it's a female????

  1. Don't agree with but I get your point, take away plot armour he lets the crew die followed by allowing his own death, it's stupid but it's Sanji. Go figure

  2. Feels contradictory if imma be honest.

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u/Acustic77 Feb 28 '21

Wait, Sanji already fall to TRAP since Wano act 1 to begin with...no wonder he fall to literally a trap in act 3.

This is his flaw just like other SHs but I think this a possible setup to change his character because he just let other pirate know his worst or weaknest in high volume, no way Sanji can get away with this after Wano arc end. Plus Sanji still priority other woman over his captain still a bit...he even complaint why Jinbe come to assist but at the end he the one who leave his captain for unknown woman...but Im still glad Luffy is kind of person who dont get bother by that.

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u/fredericktannz Cipher Pol Feb 28 '21 edited Feb 28 '21
  1. The trap is obvious to us, readers, but not to him. Heck, Luffy and Jimbei did not feel it. From his point-of-view, it's a quick detour. Run and save someone in distress, then back to help luffy reach the top. Besides, Jimbei was there. Also, give Black Maria credit for knowing the Strawhats and their weaknesses, and for knowing how to setup a trap.
  2. It's not that he can't sense them, but everything else is superseded by a woman in distress. It's not just a principle thing as much as it's already psychological (perhaps even physiological). He alluded to it in the same chapter when he mentioned his body won't allow him to use his armament haki.
  3. His hands were tied. Not sure if it is still possible to use his raid suit that way. His skywalk most likely won't help him escape Black Maria. Do you see how gigantic she is? Incidentally, we need to appreciate how strong he is for doing that to a Tobiroppo's subordinates when Yamato had a hard time against Sasaki's (same as Franky).
  4. He cant use haki but it's not by choice. His body (or brain) won't let him.
  5. Now this is just getting exaggerated. Oda won't write something like that. Besides, the Strawhats are not as weak as you give them credit for.
  6. Again, if those scenarios happen, it's bad writing on Oda. There hasn't been a situation yet where he needs to directly choose between his principle and the lives of his nakamas. The Strawhats are stronger than you think. Besides, Luffy's actions have destroyed a lot of plans in the past, which, you could argue, put his nakamas lives in danger. But it's ok, that's his nature.

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u/Vodkaret Feb 28 '21

The trap is so obvious, they're in the middle of a war. Luffy and Jinbei didn't feel anything because there wasn't anything to feel. There are many people that are in emotional distress during a war/battlefield, he didn't even feel Usopp or Nami on the verge of death crying.

  1. Observation Haki senses prescence, strength, emotions and intent. There is no excuse for falling into such a trap. Your observation Haki can't be the best and fall for such a bait trap when observation Haki would literally prevent it from happening. He can sense that a beutifual lady needs help and is under sexual harrasment, how? How does his observation haki pick up literally the opposite of what's going on? And secondly, he charges in without his raid suit, another way to force him into this stupid situation.

  2. His hands and legs were tied and he was lying on the ground. He was clearly able to move and attack. He can alse ignite the webs on fire with his Diable Jambe. Why wouldn't sky walk help? Sanji is known for his speed. If you can move quickly in any direction, in the ground and air, and you're know for your observation haki where you can literally doge a bullet from Katakuri, how do you fall back into a trap again? You can also just kick yourself out of the room. Sanji is strong, never did I say he wasn't and that's not my issue with this entire thing. It's the entire thing being illogical.

  3. And again this is stupid. His brain won't let him because it might harm a female terrorist. But as a result that means Black Maria could kill him or cripple him and that means that his crew who desperately rely on him will most likely be wiped out. Nice priority your brain has. His brain would allow hiim if his prioritiy was the safety of his crew, friends, and thousands of innocent civilians male and female.

  4. Yes it'se exaggerated because people literally can't put two and two together and I already mentioned that scenario won't happen but if it did you would know what Sanji would do and where his priorities are. His choices, mentality and intentions.

  5. No what's going on rn is bad writing. That scenario is just an example where it's directly in your face that you can't ignore what his priorities are. Anyone that's looking at the current chapters logically can see that it's the same thing. Just because King or Queen isn't currently killing a crew member doesn't mean that if they were Sanji would do any thing different. Besides how would he know if it was happening or not? He's busy getting pummeled by Black Maria when he should be dealing with a commander or helping on the rooftop. He would rather stay in that situation, not protect himself and die in order to not harm a terrorist female instead of doing what he should be doing elsewhere.

The Strawhats are stronger than you think.

The only people that can deal with a commander that's not on the rooftop is Jinbei, Sanji and Marco, everyone else is getting annihilated effortlessly in one single hit. The attack from King that Sanji tanked with the Raid suit would kill pretty much anyone from the others in one go except maybe Franky.

Besides, Luffy's actions have destroyed a lot of plans in the past, which, you could argue, put his nakamas lives in danger. But it's ok, that's his nature.

IT's literally not the same thing or comparable. Luffy is a moron and he doesn't even realise the full extent of his actions most of the times. Sanji is a guy that's smart and thinks through so he should know that his principles take a priority over the lives of his crew. He should know that by not defending himself from harm form Black Maria, Black Maria could kill him on the spot or make him a cripple and that he won't be able to help out in the war. He should know that by not getting out of there, King or Queen or Jack or the Yonkous could be running a train on his crew yet he is fine with it. NO SINGLE PERSON ALIVE WOULD DO WHAT SANJI WOULD DO. It's illogical and completely stupid. If a terroist is threatening your family, female or male, you don't prioritse your gentlement whiteknight over the safety of your friends and family. IF you can't see this then I don't know what to say, the scenario I gave was an example where it's obvious and in your face that you can't ignore the implications and intentions of his actions and mentality.

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u/Flexicanfilth Mar 01 '21

You're essentially using out of character knowledge to justify your opinions without realising.

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u/2-2Distracted Mar 01 '21

That's really not at all true.

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u/fredericktannz Cipher Pol Feb 28 '21

You have some good points and I will not try to change your mind. The beauty of reading a manga, anything really, is you can interpret a lot of things the way that reflects your experience and your self. I'll just present the following points for conversation.

I think you are overestimating Sanji, and underestimating him at the same time.

Let's start with "NO SINGLE PERSON ALIVE WOULD DO WHAT SANJI WOULD DO". You'd be surprised what sicknesses are in the real world. There are more mental health issues worse than Sanji's. It doesn't make sense to most normal people, but they do exist. Substance addictions can be mental sickness, for one. Athletes suffer from unexplainable mental breakdown. We don't want to go down that rabbit hole because it's a whole new thread.

Perhaps you've been in a real war, so I won't tell you, you are wrong if you say the trap is so obvious. From my view as a reader who hasn't been in a war, it's possible for Sanji to think it is a lady in distress. Remember, the war started as a surprise attack. It is highly likely that not everyone in Onigashima are aware about the war. Not everyone in Onigashima are combatants. So, sure, Sanji may think the same as me.

Perhaps we shouldn't even be arguing about his haki. Maybe he just heard a scream of a lady in a floor level below them. Sure, he could have been careful, and sure, he could have activated his raid suit. However, he's been fighting fodders the whole way and thus, his guard was down. Heck, why didn't he hear/feel Usopp and Nami? They were very far and Sanji's observation haki is not God level (yet).

Let's assume you are right, and Sanji getting trapped is plain idiotic (or Oda is), that he got captured in an obvious trap. He was still depicted as someone who tried to run away, and gave a good fight/struggle, more than someone whose hands and feet are tied. All the male subordinates were down. Unfortunately he was captured. But that's a generous depiction for someone who's been trapped.

Sure, let's say it was idiotic again. He did not sky walk, or that he did not activate his raid suit, or he did not use his Diablo Jambe. Another idiotic moment for him (and for Oda). But we don't know (1) how powerful Black Maria is; (2) how his suit works; (3) how his diablo jambe works. Perhaps he tried, but Black Maria over powered a tied Sanji. Perhaps he can't just activate his suit with tied hands? Let's assume he managed to escape, then what would have been next in that story flow? He just go back to Luffy and Jimbei? Black Maria resets her trap?

So now, Sanji was captured, tied to a web? What should be the perfect reaction? Should he just shut up, absorb the punches? How can he defend himself? Through his armament haki? Even if he can activate his armament haki, will that help him escape the spider web? Sure, it can block the pain from Black Maria's punches, but to what end? He is still stuck there. Again, maybe he could have burn through the web. And again, we do not know how his diable jambe works. If he did manage to burn the web, then it will be back to him running and Black Maria catching him again.

Really, the only course of action for him is to ask for help, which he did. So I don't know what's bad writing there?

Further, it is difficult to speculate what would have happened. We might be surprised how Oda will write it if it comes down to it. If Sanji doesn't have other options, he might finally break his principle. If it comes down to a nakama dying, or attacking a woman, he probably will do everything to save his nakama. Then he will give up on his dream as a penance. Unfortunately, or fortunately, Oda didn't put Sanji in that situation yet.

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u/WYWHPFit Feb 28 '21

I don't feel it is bad writing: Sanji's flaw has been stated since the beginning, the extent to it was shown in Enies Lobby when he fought Khalifa, so it isn't something that comes out of nowhere, nor it is forced. You may not like it but what's happening is consistent with his character. Also you act like we know the extent of Black Maria abilities and we simply don't: maybe Sanji couldn't escape because she is fast and cunning and was able to trap him anyway.

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u/Jevonar Feb 27 '21

I disagree. I think he knew from the start that he would have been forced to call Robin for help, but he wanted to look convincing while doing so. So he tanked a few punches and then called Robin. Everyone in the room is even surprised that sanji "gave in so easily", time is just dilated in the panels. The whole beating + sanji calling for help probably takes less than one minute.

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u/topdangle Feb 27 '21

You're kind of ignoring how "doing stupid things that endangers the whole crew" is literally Luffy's personality. Luffy threatened two of the strongest people on the planet even though he can't beat them alone and got Sanji caught up in it causing that whole WCI arc.

It's not unique to Sanji, nobody on the crew is perfect except maybe post-Enies Lobby Robin personality wise. Sanji screwed up again, but this time there's some character growth, because instead of pretending like his life doesn't matter he asked Robin for help so he could get back on the path to Luffy and Zoro. He also sucked up his pride and put the raid suit on, and normally his pride is huge and he won't even use his hands because of it. Nami and Usopp were struggling to pull their weight too until O-tama arrived, I'd bet the same happens for Sanji where he comes in big with Luffy and Zoro (you can kind of already see it, Zoro suck ass at moving in the air and whiffed his attack while Sanji flies around with ease). It's not pretty but his character is improving.

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u/Vodkaret Feb 28 '21

Yes and that's something I criticise Luffy for too as he doesn't grow from his mistakes. But Luffy is literally a stupid character and probably doesn't realise the amount of danger his actions put on the crew. It's like a Kid not understanding the full extent of their actions. However if Luffy was given a condition that the next time he did something completely stupid his crew would instantly be wiped out, I bet Luffy wouldn't do it or would at least try to not do it. The only strawhat who I can confidently say if given such a condition that wouldn't prioritise the safety of his crew is Sanji.

It's not about being perfect. They all have their flaws. It's the fact taht Sanji will not harm a terrorist female or even protect himself from harm or dying because his haki might harm the terrorist female. And this takes a bigger prioority over the safety of his crew. This is just laughable and so stupid, and so forced

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u/topdangle Feb 28 '21

But Luffy does know. Even back in that Foxy arc he knew he was screwed when Aoikiji showed up, so he forced Aoikiji into a fight and told everyone to run because he was guaranteed to lose. Back in Arlong Park he could tell the room Nami was held hostage in just by looking at it. Hes smart in certain ways and dumb in others but he definitely knows that hes putting everyone in danger, but he can't help himself since he wants to become Pirate King and he respects his crew's strength. It's not really that different with Sanji, he doesn't want to be a punching bag but hes traumatized because women were the only people good to him. Zoro doesn't want to get lost but half of his brain is missing or something (can't really explain that one). They're all pretty impulsive in their own way except for Robin.

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u/Vodkaret Feb 28 '21 edited Feb 28 '21

But Luffy does know. Even back in that Foxy arc he knew he was screwed when Aoikiji showed up, so he forced Aoikiji into a fight and told everyone to run because he was guaranteed to lose

Dude, it's literally not the same thing. Luffy is a complete moron. Only a moron would challenge two yonkou off the bat after experiencing what he did in Sabody. Yes he can be smart and mature at moments but he's a moron most of the time. His character never grows and it's not something I'm a fan of. I'm not going to repeat myself anymore but I already explained how Sanji would prioritise the safety of a female terrosit over his crew to such an extent that he's not even willing to use haki to defend himself and that's just one of the many problems. If you can't see how stupid this is then I don't know what to say as I can't express it any clearer.

edit: The clear difference is Sanji prioritises the safety of the enemy female terrorist over his crew. That is the major problem

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u/topdangle Feb 28 '21

I understand what you're saying. I just don't agree with you, that's all. Personally I don't think its easy for people to fix their character flaws in general, especially ones that stem from trauma, and especially in something like the short 2 years that they've been traveling together.

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u/Vodkaret Feb 28 '21

Fair enough, a lot of people are dismissing any critcism of how Oda is writing Sanji as if they don't understand his character or that we think he's weak because of this but that is not the problem people have with it so I just wanted to write down some points on why I think it's bad

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u/coupdevent Feb 27 '21

Sanji's been a horndog caricature for years now. That's like 90% of his post-timeskip character.

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u/Vodkaret Feb 27 '21

Sanji is my favourite Strawhat but his post time skip has been full of blunders. Dude was about to die from a nose bleed, pretty much set the tone. Just stop writing him in these situations. There's being a gentlemen and then there's whatever this is...

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u/SaltClub Feb 28 '21

I miss competent Sanji. Pretty much died after Enies lobby

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u/SpaceUniKenDz Feb 27 '21

is it just me or does this chapter feel way too short

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u/sahithkiller Feb 27 '21

It do be like that when there are hype Robin moments...

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u/Acustic77 Feb 28 '21

Well, it have same vibe with chapter 1000 after all.

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u/StudioLazy Feb 27 '21

I'm torned btw my joy to finally see Robin fights 1vs1 and how tired am I to see Sanji used as a comic relief/ being cringey

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u/WYWHPFit Feb 28 '21

Where is the cringey or comical aspects in what Sanji did? It was amazing and showed his character growth.

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u/ZorroStylex3 Pirate Feb 27 '21

Is she? I think is gonna be with Brook unless Brook takes care of the rest

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u/StudioLazy Feb 28 '21

Let me have some hopes

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u/Environmental-Let639 Feb 27 '21

I love how Oda destroy clichês.

Why woudnt you asked for the help of an ally?

The whole macho hero that never asked for help dont make any sense in One Piece. In his fight against Arlong Luffy already declare that he cant do anything alone. That he needs help.

Sanji told Ussop that they all have something they cannot do.

Zoro bow his head do Mihawk not for himself, but for his captain and before that he thanks Brook when he offers to help because he is aware of Zoro wounds.

Two of the most amazing and emotional scenes of the whole manga are Nami and than Robin asking Luffy for help.

You know who didnt like asking for help? Oden, he didnt saw his scabbards as people he could count on, he wanted to do everything by himself, to carry the weight of the World alone, and because of that, he failed, his country was dominated and he family and friends suffer a lot. If he had asked for help soon after he returned to Wano, he would have defeated Kaido...

There is no shame in trusting an ally and asking him for help, and the table turn on the "damsey in distress" was beatifull, amazing chapter.

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u/BEENHEREALLALONG Feb 28 '21

I have no issue with Robin saving Sanji, just the reasoning was mediocre. We get it, sanji doesn’t like fighting girls. Instead of using that as a crutch yet again and making Sanji lose because he chooses to lose instead of trying to fight why not give him a difficult opponent he can fight and have Robin save him from the,?

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u/Environmental-Let639 Feb 28 '21

Hitting a woman is as inpossible to Sanji as swiming is to Luffy.

Zoro dont like to fight girls. Sanji cant. Is very diferent.

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u/BEENHEREALLALONG Feb 28 '21

I'm not saying Sanji should be able to hit girls. It's fine if he can't fight them. It was a missed opportunity to give Sanji an actual worthy opponent he needed help against instead of doing the "he can't fight girls" bit again.

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u/Interceptor88LH Feb 27 '21

Thank you for this comment. If should be pinned at the beginning of the comment section.

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u/snake_case_name Feb 27 '21

Two of the most amazing and emotional scenes of the whole manga are Nami and than Robin asking Luffy for help.

yesyes... many readers feelings are hurt because their world view is shaken by onepiece now

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u/lordoftheopenflies Feb 28 '21

There's a sprinkle of misogyny too. It was perfectly fine for damsels to ask for help. Not acceptable for a man. People need to grow up.

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u/Environmental-Let639 Feb 28 '21

Yep. If it was the other way around (Robin asking for help and Sanji appearing as a bad ass to save the day, no one would have a problem)

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u/MariJoyBoy Feb 27 '21

Juste rewatching Udon's episodes .... Tama was already badass at that time she ran to sneal into Udon while the gate was closing, when Momonosuke juste wanted to stay outside. Thanks to her Momo was inside Udon, and could make his speech

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u/JViser Feb 27 '21

...imagine thinking of Sanji hitting women as a character development. lol

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u/itsxtray Feb 28 '21

Why wouldn't it be? Women are human beings who are just as capable of evil as men are, as proven by black Maria. Whats noble about not hitting her? Whats noble about not protecting yourself? Don't put women on some pedastal where they can't be touched, they're human just like the rest of us, with all the faults that come with it.

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u/KING-Jotaro Feb 27 '21

It would go against that scene that explains his ties with Zeff through it. The way they want it would be really bad for his previous character arc and how it was about him not needing to change to be accepted

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u/wykkyd96 Feb 27 '21

Maybe big mom actually. If he could even damage her tbh

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u/SeniorTuco Cipher Pol Feb 28 '21

That would get him even more (unwarranted) hate than the whole timeskip training thing.

"Oh so he only hits ugly women?"

Sanji. Won't. Hit. A. Woman.

Period.

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u/erasatz Feb 28 '21

I think the scene would have worked fine without mentioning that he can't use his haki. I'd would have assumed Maria can damage him through it since he restrained and she is a high ranking executive.

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u/YubberLikeRubber Feb 27 '21

Sanji, Yamato (Momo), Shinobu and Jack will intersect at the treasure room. Yamato will tell Sanji to move on and that she'll protect her retainers. This will confuse/anger Sanji until Momo pops his head out of Yamato's chest which will be a hilarious gag.

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u/COREY_2293 Feb 27 '21

so excited for what oda has planned for robin.. been waiting for this chapter for soooo long now

i do understand that robin doesnt fight and its the first time in her life ever. she has a family that will fight her etc.. but she should have been up there with the monster trio imo

but finally robin gets to fight.

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u/Steckie_01 Pirate Feb 27 '21

Not sure if anybody has mentioned it before, but I think Sanji calling for Robin is not only because he trusts her but its also a strategic decision. Since Sanji was always the strategic strawhat I think he also called for Robin so he can go and save the scabbards since he just found out that they are massivly hurt and in great danger and nobody is going to help them if he doesnt make a move.

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u/Dazzling-Court-4626 Feb 27 '21

I think sanji still fights queen even if he’s headed to the treasure room rn. Depending on the 10th person, sanji may not have to fight Jack really. I don’t think I saw queen fighting Marco with king, so my theory is he’s going after chopper. I hope that’s the case and chopper can showcase his fighting skills. I don’t think he’s strong enough to beat queen yet but maybe he’ll put up a fight long enough for sanji to fly in and take over

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u/Ndm09 Feb 27 '21

Sanji true advocate of gender equality finally confirmed.

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u/monkie-see-monkie-do Feb 27 '21

lot more discussion on sanji in comments.

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u/tiimmeee Feb 27 '21

In the panel with Drake and Apoo we see a samurai from the back that looks a lot like prime Hyogoro also wearing a cape with the Kozuki emblem the same as Hyogoro when we last saw him.

You think this is actually Hyogoro and he found a way to restore his prime form or just someone that happens to look like him?

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u/Wildcard777 Pirate Feb 27 '21

I thought that was him too.

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u/mauroking Feb 28 '21

I made a post about this, this morning hut idk why the admins blocked it...

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u/CyaptainKiddu Feb 27 '21

Does anybody think there's a shot that sanji will taken down a beat up/recovering Jack and then full str Queen?

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u/Efficient_Baseball68 Feb 28 '21

I'm hoping for a zoro, sanji Jinbe vs King, Queen Jack 3 vs 3 team fight where they have to fight together. Surely kings ability to fly is gonna be relevant more than stopping everyone get to the roof earlier. Sanji would help zoro in that fight against King.

Zoro having faced off against kaido and big mom earlier, there's no way he won't have the second biggest bounty, that's guaranteed now.

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u/Marqueemoon96 Feb 28 '21

Jack is all about never backing down. Both Sanji’s and Jack’s pride has been hurt. So I don’t think if he gets to fight Jack he will get Queen too

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u/DrBimboo Feb 28 '21

I still think Jack is severely underestimated, but no matter how Sanji vs Jack goes, with Jacks track record it wont mean much to us.

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u/TaffyLacky Feb 27 '21

I feel like Jack being taken down will coincide with revealing the silhouette character

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u/osmansullu Feb 27 '21

U trippin

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u/_halalkitty Feb 27 '21

I think the panel where Momonosuke stares at the door and says "there are so many" is a sign of his Observation Haki.

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u/notaufo Feb 27 '21

I'm hoping for vicious fight between Robin and Black Maria. Robins have always been kinda cool - so I am predicting that Robin will end the fight by saying something like:" Black widows prey on men like its un their Nature and put them under their heel but lets be honest usually bugs get squashed under it." And them summon a giant feet and stomp on Black Maria so hard that she would fall through all floors like Arlong did.

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u/BringMeTheirEyes Feb 27 '21

I'm hoping the lesser straw hats realise they need to be able to fight these people if they want to compete in the New World.

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u/Lobsterun Feb 27 '21

Whole Cake?

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u/Likes-Your-Username Feb 27 '21

614 chapters ago, we saw Robin's past. How she was called a demon and hated by those around her. What she's been through, too. Far more than half her life has been the worst- for twenty years she was on the run, a child with a 79 million berry bounty, more than most rookie pirates. However, in the past 2 years, that's all changed. She's found friends, she's found family, she's found her strength. Her strength to use that name to her own advantage: The "Demon Child". And smiling as she does it!

I'd love to get a good "dereshi" out of Robin sometime soon.

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u/The_Real_Katakuri Pirate Feb 27 '21

Two things most people don't seem to realize:

  1. As stupid as it si, Sanji let himself be caught and tortured by Black Maria. He didn't need to hit Maria to escape. He could have done so, whenever. But he was ENJOYING as a good sub to his dominatrix.
  2. The whole point of the chapter is the wink Robin gives Sanji as she thanks him for trusting in her. This follows from chapter 938 when Nami had furiously slapped Sanji for having spied on her and Robin in the bath house and Sanji said "one should always trust his/her friends." Nami knew well Sanji was just spying, but Robin never complained. Hence she trusted him. And now he returns the favor.

Note: The second point is just like when Sanji didn't hesitate to hit Mr. 2 disguised as Usopp in chapter 187 because he knew he wasn't Usopp and claimed that "people are their heart." But then he couldn't hit Mr. 2 as he was disguised as Nami.

Only for Law having mugiwaras exchange bodies by swapping "their hearts" 474 chapters later.

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u/DJDreamz Feb 27 '21

Yo, we get lots of people like you don't like Sanji and his "no hitting women" character trait. But please, for the love of god, stop intentionally misinterpreting his actions in an attempt to degrade the character.

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u/Lobsterun Feb 27 '21 edited Feb 27 '21

Yeah, he's such a good actor he let Kin'emon and the others get killed. The first point is awfully bad, man. And the second one is a quite poor observation too: Robin doesn't even appear in that chapter LOL (we can barely see her but it's just that, no face nor dialogue)

Not to mention the whole "trust slap" moment it's preceded by an entire arc dedicated to Sanji and the trust between nakamas (with Nami being THE MOST crucial character in the entire conflict)

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u/The_Real_Katakuri Pirate Feb 28 '21

I usually forget the mean IQ in this sub is around 70.

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u/SuperNerd6527 Feb 28 '21

You're bringing the average down

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u/Lobsterun Feb 28 '21

Big words for a mean ONE PIECE fan with a poor comprehension of the series

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u/herrsebbe Feb 27 '21

I'm guessing Queen is targeting Chopper now. It's his virus after all, so it's a sensible move, plus he's prone to avoid danger and seek out low-hanging fruit.

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u/kelvinkkc Feb 27 '21

I could totally see Monster Point Chopper vs Queen, maybe with the help of Drake or Brook or both?

I mean they already have bad beef, Chopper is furious at Queen for weaponizing a plague. It make sense for them to fight.

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u/_halalkitty Feb 27 '21

There may be a reason for this to happen on the 3rd floor. It's a good place for Big Mom to appear again while Brook is there. I don't think Brook will eventually deliver the final blow to Black Maria. He didn't make any big statements. He's there because it's conveniently closer to Big Mom than before. His Soul King powers may be needed soon!

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u/sahithkiller Feb 27 '21

Cant wait to see why Enel was crying over the scabbards!

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u/Sombrakata Feb 27 '21

"Damn it.. All these years I was on the moon and ate dust.. while these scabbards on Earth are so delicious" o_o

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u/painkun Feb 27 '21

Mini rant: If Sanji's never going to grow from hiswhole "never hit a women thing", I really wish Oda would stop putting him in this situations. It was a very lame moment from a character who had so many cool moments in part 1 (Mr. Prince, Water 7/Enies Lobby), to having nothing but mainly L's in part two. Also I'm pretty sure he attacked/defended himself against Big Mom with Luffy so how can he not even defend himself against Maria??? I don't see this as character development, like before he would have just stood there and died and now he'll call for help? I don't think he was that stupid in pre-time skip. He's supposed to be in the monster trio ffs but what has he done post time-skip? Other crews (rightfully) called this pathetic but at least we got some amazing Robin moments from it.

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u/wispymatrias Feb 27 '21

Oda's telling a story, he doesn't care about macho shounen fanboy insecurities. He's going to use all his tools to take the story where it needs to go.

And from Oda's perspective, Sanji's refusual to fight women isn't something childish to grow up from, it's a virtue that is constantly challenged. That Sanji doesn't compromise from it is what makes the character tick, what makes him worthy.

In One Piece, sticking to your guns in the face of destruction is the most noble thing you can do. 'Raizo is safe,' etc etc.

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u/painkun Feb 27 '21

Are any of the criticisms I said really “macho shounen fanboy insecurities”? You didn’t respond to anything I said. I never said sanji should start hitting women.

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u/wispymatrias Feb 28 '21
  1. yes 2. i did. 3. you inferred.

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u/painkun Feb 28 '21

Saying it’s inconsistent for sanji to hit/defend himself against big mom and not do anything here is “macho fanboy insecurities” lmao. I didn’t imply he should start hitting woman whatsoever. You’re not replying to anything I actually said just you’re imagination.

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u/wispymatrias Feb 28 '21

i don't care you're indignant, fyi. i said what i said, i think it was appropiate, go sulk.

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u/painkun Feb 28 '21

After responding to my own imagination and posting L after L “go sulk”. You’re ridiculous lmao

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u/wispymatrias Feb 28 '21

likewise.

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u/painkun Feb 28 '21

Keep responding to your imagination please

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u/tofu94 Feb 27 '21

I hate this pseudo-intellectual moral high ground people take when it's fully within reason to expect that the 3rd strongest member of the future pirate kings crew should have some display of his combat ability or even just some competence in strategizing like we actually saw pre timeskip.

As if One Piece is some epic novel that has somehow surpassed it's genre despite the fact that it's still a shounen manga. You criticize anything and it's "you're just a meathead, you don't understand his character, you just want blond zoro". Do me a favour.

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u/wispymatrias Feb 28 '21

i didn't realize you thought so little of One Piece.

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u/Mothramaniac Feb 27 '21

Lol i think you're overinterpreting bro. I think there are 2 conflicting opinions which are sanji as a character has show he has his own personal beliefs even if they hurt them at the end of the day. The other is sanji isn't strong because he hasnt done anything "impressive."

I think Oda focuses more on story and character and uses fights to tell a story or show conflicting beliefs. Sanji is an overlycaring person. His mother and sister were the only people who were nice to him so he would never lay a finger on a woman no matter what. He also is willing to feed a starving person even if they would stab him in the back later on. This is a man who would give up on his dream for another man just because he feels indebted to him for his sacrifices. Hell even when ussop left sanji was the one who checked on him.

I think it's immature of you to disregard this as an epic just because its a weekly serialization made for young men. Oda has shown sanji is strong. Oda has also shown that sanji is much more than just his strength so just chill with this adolescent dick measuring contest. We will get a good fight out of sanji. Oda wants to show us more than just fights he wants to show us his story. If you don't like it than i guess you have bad taste lmao

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u/tofu94 Feb 28 '21

Its funny because I actually agree with everything you say.

The layers of complexity that Oda has provided to a character like sanji, a man who clearly has experienced severe childhood trauma and sees himself as a self sacrificing individual is exactly why he's my favourite. But there are other sides to it. I can't deny that I also like the combative, more suave side too. I think that post timeskip oda has shifted that balance, and it's perfectly reasonable to want to see sanji in a better light. I want sanji to stick to his ideals, I want to see character growth, but I think oda can execute it better than what he did in this chapter.

My gripe just comes with the fact that there seems to be a divide. It's this weird assumption that because someone criticizes sanjis competence that somehow they're some edgy teenager who just wants badass moments and wants sanji to hit women. And it's turned into this really weird gatekeeping as a result.

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u/Mothramaniac Feb 28 '21

Okay i gotchu i think odas setting this up to be a weakened sanji vs a weakened jack fight, because let's face it if sanji just beat jack how he is we as a community wouldnt see it as impressive. So if sanji gets his ass beat not using haki to protect himself then it would be an even fight. Like i said sanji will get his good fights for this arc, oda just has so many pieces to work with.

We also get sanji asking for help which contrasts his whole wci self so we get growth in character that way

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u/garveworm Feb 27 '21

Ikr, he cant fight nowen? Okay. But he is strong enough to not get himself in these dumb situations

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u/UBLACKS2 Pirate Feb 27 '21

He was pathetic for getting himself stuck tbh

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u/cashcarti_x Feb 27 '21

This. We already know he won’t fight women and would rather let other crew mates fight them. Why do we need this point rehashed again just so BM and robin can fight when it’s a literal open battlefield.

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u/ManifestingUniverse Feb 27 '21

Robin said she can bloom anywhere, does that mean all Full Body Blooms are clones or is it her actual body?

If it’s the former, that would mean her real body is doing something else and is out of danger and her FB bloom can fully utilize all of Robins skill sets. So we could see Robin fighting two different people simultaneously.

If it’s the latter that means she pretty much has instant teleportation and can dodge any attack.

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u/COREY_2293 Feb 27 '21

instant blooms/teleports could be an awakening ability in the future

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u/RivinX Feb 27 '21

I'm pretty sure it hurts her if people attack the limbs. She seemed to be in pain during the anime.

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u/Acustic77 Feb 28 '21

That before time skip then in Wano when she got caught by oniwabanshu and her clone got pearced by shuriken I guess before her clone can bail out but somehow her oniginal kimono undamaged might hint something new.

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u/ManifestingUniverse Feb 27 '21

Yeah it does hurt her. She just needs un-bloom fast enough to avoid hits. Like when luffy and Sanji were fighting and she bloomed and unbloomed between them.

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u/Raiko_hpff Feb 27 '21

I doubt she would be able to able to bloom somewhere fast enough to avoid any close melee attacks. Probably could avoid something ranged.

Robin's DF is broken and she is the smartest SH. We are finally far enough in the story where Oda can let her fight and not have her be stronger than the rest of the crew. Same reason Jinbei was teased as a crew member for over a decade.

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u/Acustic77 Feb 28 '21

Well she can grab Hakuba fast enough.

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u/aaspammer Feb 27 '21

If Blackbeard stole robins devil fruit and had white beards power, could he summon multiple earthquakes at once?

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u/ZorroStylex3 Pirate Feb 28 '21

I guess so pretty scary

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u/fscottnaruto Bandit Feb 27 '21

Just trying to organize it for a second here:

Stable Encounters/Checkpoints:

- Tama Encounter (Franky, Nami, Usopp, Sasaki, Page One, Ulti, and Tama)

- Live Stage 1 (Drake, Hyo, and Apoo) & (Live Stage 2 (Chopper)

- Black Maria Encounter (Black Maria, Nico Robin, Brook)

- Who's Who Encounter (Who's Who, Jimbei)

- Marco Encounter (Marco, King, Queen?) (seems temporary imo)

- Carrot Encounter (Carrot, Wanda, Perospero) (probably won't see this intersect with anything; probably will just see how it ends, in the future)

- Rooftop Encounter (won't come back here for awhile, it seems)

- CP0 with Bao and the board (this is less of an encounter and more of a scoreboard lol)

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Encounters-in-progress

- Treasure Room (Scabbards, Silhoutte, with Jack and Sanji incoming)

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On Deck (Oda has these pieces on the side, ready to use whenever and wherever he wants)

- Queen (didn't see him with King and Marco, so Oda can bring Queen in wherever and whenever he wants at this point)

- Hawkins (MIA)

- Fukurojou (MIA)

- Yamato, Momo, and Shinobu (although we just saw them, they have no stated destination and are on the move. Oda could move away from them and bring them back wherever and whenever he needs)

- Tama's Plan (Speed, etc, are moving around with the dango all over Onigashima and the castle in particular. Any encounter could intersect with this at any time)

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The only Encounter that is in flux right now is the Treasure Room stuff. So, I think next chapter will focus on that but we will see glimpses of other things again.

I think the next time something changes in Jimbei's Encounter, it will be Who's Who's gifters being turned by Gazelleman.

Live Stage probably doesn't need to be returned to until Chopper finishes the cure. But when he does, something else will intersect with it, some other encounter will move to the Live Stage. I think that Sasaki, Ulti and Page One will be defeated by then (several chapters from now). Usopp, Nami and Tama do not know that Drake is on their side, and Drake destroyed Tama's village in the past. So something needs to happen there. So I think once the Tobi Roppo on their side are defeated, and once Usopp takes public credit for Tama's plan lol, they'll all end up storming the live stage with an army of gifters and encounter Drake who they will think is an enemy. But Chopper will come out with the cure and inform them Drake is on their side now. (that'll all be in, idk, like a month or two lol).

Before any of that, though, we're gonna see Black Maria and Jack dealt with.

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u/athos45678 Thriller Bark Victim's Association Mar 02 '21

I’m late to the party, but I’m holding out that they flashback to The rooftop fight

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u/KING-Jotaro Feb 28 '21

I think Bao Huang will be taken by Tama's power, and this will completely break apart the surveillance strategy they have right now.

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u/fscottnaruto Bandit Feb 28 '21

great idea

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u/iiPxtatoKing The Revolutionary Army Feb 27 '21

I really appreciate this because as a new manga reader of OP, not seein each scene animated and following panel by panel throughout each chapter, I tend to lose track of what goes down in prior chapters.

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u/sabinACTS Feb 27 '21

This is actually cool, thanks

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u/sharkhuh Feb 27 '21

Watching what Oda just did to Sanji is like watching what D&D did to Game of Thrones in the final season.

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u/Kuroblondchi Thriller Bark Victim's Association Feb 27 '21

This isn’t the first time sanji had been in that situation, he’ll have his moment still in this arc. He’s almost guaranteed either queen or jack at this point

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u/sharkhuh Feb 27 '21

Doesn't matter. This felt 10x worse than the way the Kalifa situation was handled. Just beating either one won't wash this sour taste out.

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u/Kuroblondchi Thriller Bark Victim's Association Feb 27 '21

I think that bad taste in you’re mouth is a you problem buddy, there’s plenty of us that know sanji is going to have his time to shine, and refusing to fight certainly doesn’t make him weak so whys this pill so tough to swallow?

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u/sharkhuh Feb 27 '21

I don't care about his refusal to fight. I care about the whole situation Oda contrived just to set him up to lose and cry like a man child for help.

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u/DarkestTimelineJeff Feb 27 '21

So the other members of the crew can cry out for help from their nakama but sanji can't? What's with this ridiculous double standard? It's a show of faith in Robin that she can handle the situation and won't fall into the trap.

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u/Kuroblondchi Thriller Bark Victim's Association Feb 27 '21

I promise you it’s not a big deal and sanji will be fine and continue to do badass things

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u/renikh Feb 27 '21

Sorry can't relate

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u/sharkero69 Feb 27 '21

Sanji’s calling out Robin doesn’t mean he’s weak; it means he trust Robin enough to beat Black Maria even he has to be seen as sissy calling out for a female nakama. Even Marco sees the group relationship as lively~

There’s a panel where Queen noticed Sanji’s poster back then... that could mean something...

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u/Persas12 Feb 28 '21

The whole poster thing was about Sanji being a Vinsmoke, Queen being a tech freak, surely knows about Vinsmokes being technically enhanced.

I hope this leads to a match up, it seems really fitting.

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u/ghostlima Feb 27 '21

If sanji ends up fighting jack i will be very disappointed tbh. Jack has been taking Ls since he was untroduced, he even had trouble with Asura doji, who is avtually pretty strong but is also a character with no big wins. I mean, zoro is helping luffy fighting two younkos and danji is going to fight the weakest of kaido's all stars who was already defeated in the same day. Honestly, in such a big arc i was expecting more from Sanji considering what zoro is doing. If jack didnt have so many Ls it would be great, but at this point jack is a joke all things consideres.

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u/Muelojung Feb 28 '21

Not any of Jacks loses were "fair". We have yet to see a fair 1on1 figth Jack. Honestly Queen looks so much weaker right now. But i have the feeling in general that Oda didnt really do a good Job of hyping the beast pirates.

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u/Locky_Strikto Feb 27 '21

Sanji has been taking a lot of Ls in the new world. This would be the fight of Ls. Whoever wins it is still a win.

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u/TivanTim32 Feb 27 '21

At this point Sanji needs a win what's it matter if he ends up fight Page One if he finally wins a fight

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