r/OnePiece Pirate Feb 24 '21

Father of Makino's child and a secret wedding (hidden in the cover pages) Discussion

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u/Gashiisboys Feb 24 '21

That small mountain bandit is wearing Sabo’s hat (or a hat in likeness of Sabo) I find that so sweet

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u/MarcoToon Lurker Feb 25 '21

Yep, Dogra is wearing Sabo's hat and Magra is wearing Luffy's

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u/Riddlz10 Feb 25 '21

and Daddan is wearing the red beads on her neck

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u/MarcoToon Lurker Feb 25 '21

Nah, she's always had that.

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u/Riddlz10 Feb 25 '21

i know, im just sayin'

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u/eelelel Feb 24 '21

I would absolutely love it if shanks was the father of makinos child and they got married. There’s not much evidence supporting it but there’s also no evidence denying it.

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u/Reddit-kit94 Thriller Bark Victim's Association Feb 24 '21

"There's no(t much) evidence supporting it but there's also no evidence denying it"

~Every "theory" poster on this sub ever

But yeah, would be cute.

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u/eelelel Feb 24 '21

Shanks and makino being in a relationship isn’t really a theory to me rn, it’s just something I’d like to happen

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u/Reddit-kit94 Thriller Bark Victim's Association Feb 24 '21

Oh sorry, the first part wasn't aimed at you, just a light-hearted jab at 95% of theories on this sub whose main argument basically is "the story didn't literally contradict this".

You just said your headcanon.

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u/eelelel Feb 24 '21

No worries lol

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u/F0wd3N Feb 25 '21

i love you, lol

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u/creat4game2 Feb 24 '21

true. most of their base theory is head canon

by using the same formula i could even say the father is windmill village mayor since there is no evidence denying it

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u/McNuss93 Feb 24 '21

No, actually there is evidence, because all the other candidates are Dogura and Magura, Gyuaru cheating on Chicken, or Woop Slap.

You see where this leads to. It is unlikely to be a new character after several hints have been placed on it being someone we know.

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u/AlexanderThePrettyOk Feb 25 '21

There are a lot of One Piece characters that I'm not sure if those are real names or not.

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u/GekiKudo Feb 25 '21

Wdym. You don't remember characters like Slappy Joe? Or doorman Reeves? What about Jihen Alalala

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u/McNuss93 Feb 25 '21

Those don't exist. Mine do, and One Piece has hundreds of characters.

Some groups are really hard to remember like the Whitebeard allied captains or the Roger Pirates but just check them up on the wiki if databooks are unavailable in your country.

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u/McNuss93 Feb 25 '21 edited Feb 25 '21

I remember every character, I've been reading the Manga for 20 years and am a Wiki addict. Not that hard then.

I might have forgot to recollect someone as I am not sure if every abysmal character still stayed in my active consciousness, but all those are legit characters. You can check them all up. I typoed Gyaru and probably did again here but just click on wiki's page of chapter 1.

Dogura and Magura are literally on the picture.

Gyoru and Chicken are villagers from the Romance Dawn flashback that are only named in the databook.

Woop Slap is the Town mayor.

Sad that people upvote something without checking anything.

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u/kerriazes Feb 25 '21

It is unlikely Makino, her kid, or her husband (excluding if it is Shanks, but I doubt it) play a big part in the series going forward, so it is pretty much irrelevant if her husband is a new character or not.

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u/McNuss93 Feb 25 '21

There is an SBS from Oda that says something along the lines of "it's probably THAT person"...

Could also have been Vivre Card, not sure.

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u/MaimedJester Feb 25 '21

Shanks has only interacted with one woman besides Makino: and that was Catarina Devon of the Blackbeard pirates.

Now of course this could be Mihawk and Perona wedding that red hair Pirates of course were invited, or Benn Beckman and Lucky Roo had a gay marriage. But realistically Shanks makes the most sense and with a son/daughter he might actually be killable in the series now.

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u/Jake_D_Dogg Pirate Feb 25 '21

it could also be sabo, they are actually quite close in age and the timeline adds up to right around the time his memory came back

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u/spaghetti_freak Feb 25 '21

Hmm nk when luffy was a child makino was already an adult and sabo was still a kid

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u/Jake_D_Dogg Pirate Feb 25 '21 edited Feb 25 '21

there's only a four year difference - Makino is 26 and Sabo is 22. Makino was only 14 during Luffy's flashback nvm someone corrected me she was much older

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u/amaikaizoku Feb 25 '21

No makino was 19. Also sabo has koala though.

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u/Extinction17 The Revolutionary Army Feb 25 '21

Also sabo has koala though.

But does he, really? Be honest.

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u/amaikaizoku Feb 25 '21

Come on man you cant deny how cute their dynamic is. Dont you remember dressrosa with koala giving sabo his hat lol

Anyway do you really think makino matches sabo more than koala? Lets think about that instead. Makino practically raised luffy and ace and even sabo at one point. I think its a lot weirder for makino's husband/fiance to be sabo when she was basically a caretaker/guardian for him when he was young. In comparison, koala who is around the same age as him and works with him closely as an adult matches him way better

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u/Jake_D_Dogg Pirate Feb 25 '21

oh shit ur right my bad. I looked it up earlier but the source was wrong

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u/popop143 Feb 25 '21

According to the wiki, Makino was 19 and Sabo was 10 in the flash back. When his memories came back, Sabo was 20, while Makino was 29. Really slim chances of it, but I won't be surprised by it. Also adds some more meaning to Makino crying to the newspaper after the Reverie, with the child in the background, outside of Sabo being a kid from their town. Seems like Makino was the most affected by his "death(?)".

I'd still bank on Shanks, but Sabo isn't that far out.

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u/Ghekor Feb 25 '21

Bruh If its Sabo it would be hilarious, kid got a crush on her when he was 10 so he goes back to her after being Dead for 10y and they do a wedding plus a kid immediately ,or maybe it was kid first and a shotgun wedding xd

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u/popop143 Feb 25 '21

It's been my headcanon since I saw that panel of Makino crying. One day, I'll be proven right... One day...

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u/Ghekor Feb 25 '21

True it was an interesting panel

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u/SnooPickles6700 Feb 25 '21

Well, the kid is blonde as is Sabo and there's a person wearing Sabo's hat. If it implies anything I think it's Sabo and Makino.
Shanks has red hair, and the only clue to really go on is Shanks visiting that island many times, highly unlikely to being only because of Luffy. Then again it could be a relative not only a lover enough of a reason for such visits.

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u/JoJosapiens Feb 25 '21

The kid is brown-haired, not blonde.

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u/moonfish817 Feb 25 '21

Every religion ever?

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u/MasterPimpinMcGreedy Feb 25 '21

Just going to change the topic to a needless religion argument? Why not stay on topic?

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u/sameljota Feb 24 '21

The way I see it, this very post is evidence against it. Both cover images take place at the same day, right? They're reading the same newspaper. Makino is at home and already married. Shanks is elsewhere (look at those cactus) attending someone else's wedding, it seems.

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u/eelelel Feb 24 '21

It’s possible that shanks and makino got married and had a kid before this, but I’ve never really looked into this. Like I mentioned to someone else, it’s just something I’d like to see happen

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u/sameljota Feb 24 '21

Oh sure, they could have gotten married before. I was just pointing out that that particular cover page with Shanks attendings a wedding means nothing in this whole speculation.

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u/eelelel Feb 24 '21

Oohh I see

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u/Extinction17 The Revolutionary Army Feb 25 '21

The way I see it, this very post is evidence against it. Both cover images take place at the same day, right? They're reading the same newspaper. Makino is at home and already married. Shanks is elsewhere (look at those cactus) attending someone else's wedding, it seems.

Uh-oh.

Shanks fans: "......"

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u/MunkyDLoofy Feb 25 '21

They're not necessarily the same day, just when they both got this news.

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u/ostriike Feb 24 '21

If it wasn't Shank's why would the father not be shown?

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u/eelelel Feb 24 '21

Idk man lol I’m just supporting it, I’m not trying to debunk it

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u/Extinction17 The Revolutionary Army Feb 25 '21

Oda said the father is "someone we are already familiar with." But that's not necessarily saying it's Shanks. You see how many people have jumped that gun?

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u/JoJosapiens Feb 25 '21

Oda said the father is "someone we are already familiar with."

Oda never said that.

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u/Extinction17 The Revolutionary Army Feb 25 '21

You're old enough to go read the SBS.

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u/JoJosapiens Feb 25 '21

So are you, I assume.

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u/Extinction17 The Revolutionary Army Feb 25 '21

What need have I to? I already have knowledge of this, You don't.

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u/JoJosapiens Feb 25 '21

There's no SBS in which Oda says the father of Makino's baby is someone that we are already familiar with.

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u/20secondpilot The Revolutionary Army Feb 25 '21

The SBS is vol 63 where Oda mentions the father of Makino's child is "probably that person"

Seems like someone we're familiar with if you ask me, but I wonder what the direct Japanese translation of it is

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u/JoJosapiens Feb 25 '21 edited Feb 25 '21

It might seem like someone we're familiar with, but Oda never said it is and that's my point.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '21

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u/ArnGreil Feb 25 '21

Yes, like, could be a mountain bandit gone good

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u/MaimedJester Feb 25 '21

I mean red hair Pirates have Yassop, they're not exactly the best fathers on the sea.

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u/keeiel Feb 25 '21

Would be cool, but looking at the kids hair, then look at Shanks' and Makino's. There's an extremely small chance that two people with red and black hair could have a kid with blonde/white hair.

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u/citronmeringuee Feb 25 '21

In the official digital colored, the baby has brown hair.

Besides, in the white and black manga, having uncolored hair doesn't mean it's blonde. Kidd and Rockstar who are both red-haired have uncolored hair. Zoro's green hair is also uncolored.

Fun fact : According to the wiki, Shanks is the only character that has grey coloring hair in the manga.

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u/syed_abubaker15 Feb 25 '21

Makino has green hair and so does her child

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u/Competitive_Reading9 Feb 25 '21

That's anime. In the manga, she has black hair. This is shown on volume cover 60

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u/syed_abubaker15 Feb 26 '21

Oh never knew that but even still the anime is overseen by Oda so he won't allow them to do such a big change. And to be honest even if it's a small chance genetically it's not impossible in One Piece cuz they don't follow genetics that much I mean look at Sanjis family idk if Sabos mom was shown but his dad was brunette and he is a blonde so hair colour is really not that big of a deal. Shanks hair in the manga are slightly light coloured too(ofc not complete white like the baby). At last my biggest reason for such a belief is Oda said in SBS 63 “the father is maybe that person — Yeah, probably that person.” I mean except Shanks no one else comes to mind for being the father of Makinos child.

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u/keeiel Feb 25 '21

Look at the chapter 806 Makino and the kid have vastly different hair colors

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u/ColinEverton Feb 25 '21

Hair colors have never stopped oda

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u/syed_abubaker15 Feb 26 '21

Hair colors have never stopped any mangaka

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u/syed_abubaker15 Feb 26 '21

Yea I just found out but if hair colors really meant to Oda so much he won't allow the anime to just change it....look at Sanjis family or a lot of other cases in anime hair colors don't really matter. Oda also said in the 63rd SBS ig that “the father is maybe that person — Yeah, probably that person.” apart from Shanks no one really comes to mind tbh. Some guy said Sabo but Makino saw all 3 of them as little kids and Sabo didn't even have his memories till the timeskip so it's highly unlikely that within just a year(another year for the baby to come out) Sabo went to Windmill village and just fuck*ed their sisterly type figure who was like 10 years older(ik age doesn't matter either cuz Boa nd Luffy but they've seen Makino since little kids so it will matter).

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u/Kingflares Feb 25 '21

Since when did hair color matter in anime

Look at dragon ball

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u/Extinction17 The Revolutionary Army Feb 25 '21

We're not talking about Dragon Ball though.

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u/F0wd3N Feb 25 '21

No reason to leave the One Piece world when the Charlotte's have all the hair colors. :)

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u/alex494 Feb 25 '21

There are also multiple fathers in that family

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u/Ronthay Feb 25 '21

Yeah, but even kids with same dad have different hair colors. Katakuri has purple, Daifuku has blue, Oven has orange.

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u/alex494 Feb 26 '21

Charlotte kids are just built different lol

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u/tommyblaze221 Pirate Feb 24 '21

I don't really do shipping but Makino and Shanks would be a cute couple.

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u/EiichiroTarantino Feb 25 '21 edited Feb 25 '21

Maybe it's just me, but I think the wedding was something related to Prince Loki of Elbaf.

That Shanks cover page was released in Whole Cake arc, which is the first time Loki is introduced to us and we're told the fact that he actively seeks potential bride. And also there's quite often speculation that Elbaf would be Shanks' territory.

Maybe the next time when we reach Elbaf, we will find Loki and his new wife.

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u/popop143 Feb 25 '21

Or, ruins of a certain island may refer to the ruins of the muggy kingdom (Mihawk island). Mihawk marriage confirmed?

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u/EiichiroTarantino Feb 25 '21

There are no cactus at Mihawk's island.

And the wedding island too bright and sunny too so I don't think it's Mihawk's island.

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u/Kudgy Feb 25 '21 edited Feb 25 '21

If it was related to elbaf, Wouldn’t that church behind shanks be way bigger?

No idea what wedding practices Vikings did. Did they have crosses on churches?

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u/EiichiroTarantino Feb 25 '21 edited Feb 25 '21

Well, maybe the bride is not a giant and they held the wedding at the bride's homeland(?) From the way Chiffon depicts Prince Loki, I think he's quite a romantic guy (he gave Lola flowers from his own hand), so maybe he's okay with the wedding not at Elbaf.

But these are good questions.

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u/ecksofa Feb 25 '21

The small-looking church could be due to perspective. (Shot from a low view point)

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u/Marls_LeTort Feb 25 '21

What's with One Piece and romanticizing the notion of a man going on adventures while leaving a single mother behind to take care of the kid? And then having the kid grow up without a father figure, but without any of the associated issues of growing up without a father and be like "I want to grow up to be just like the guy who abandoned me"?

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u/pokeboy626 Bounty Hunter Feb 25 '21

Gon: "coughs nervously"

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u/ScorpionTheInsect Feb 25 '21

To be fair, Gon didn’t want to be just like his father. He became a Hunter to understand what makes Hunter such an appealing job that his father would leave him for.

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u/tiger2205_6 Feb 25 '21

You remember the backstory with Ace picking fights with everyone right. When he was questioning if he deserves to be alive.

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u/KSmoria Feb 25 '21

The New world is no place for a kid to grow up. And the examples we have can somewhat be justified:

  • Dragon has the role of the leader of the revolutionaries and is the biggest threat to the WG

  • Shanks is a Yonko and gets enemies (Kid, Barto)

  • Roger was the world's most dangerous man and was about to turn himself in

  • Nico Olvia arguably also justifiable cause

  • Yassop.. yeah he plain out chose adventure based on the info we have

I don'y know what other examples we have, but looks to me taking a newborn to the most deadly seas would be the irresponsible thing to do.

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u/yeGarb Feb 25 '21

u miss the whole point here...

the fact these men chose adventure over family is the irresponsible and quite illogical fact that op is talking about...

if you got married and have a kid, then settle down...oden promised he'd come back after adventure with Roger and he did. He was probably the only one who did something like this.

yassop literally stated that adventure is more fun and he left ussop and his sick mom lmao

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u/KSmoria Feb 25 '21

"Chose adventure" is oversimplifying. Most of those are leaders that fight for the future of the world. When is the best time to have kids? After they get killed or captured in action?

Yassop incidentaly made the right choice, but those others have too many enemies and attention to them to lead a normal life.

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u/syed_abubaker15 Feb 26 '21

His mom wasn't sick when he left right?

anyways he is deadset on the point because that's simply the life of a pirate and what they chose its actually quite illogical to use modern world ethics in a story which is based on the 15th century era.

Even if parents chose to be part of Navy for "protecting their loved ones" which is a good reason they still won't be as available as they would be if they had a job.

One Piece is a story about Pirates, Navy and the adventure on the deadliest seas it isn't a slice of life family story for everyone to have such responsibilities.

Based on what you said you simply want Pirates/Navy to not mate at all? or just drop their goals(which is highly emphasized on a OP character) and settle down? they can't do that and they won't do that.

Pirates and Navy travel a lot which means they go to many islands and meet plenty of people so it's no surprise that they will never fall in love with that one person and make her a mother. The mothers understand the importance of their life goals so it was also shown in a positive way too and they aren't that dumb either to f*ck a pirate cuz they know they will just come and go. Oda never used real life like pirates in which they would simply r*pe people so yeah they all have a mutual understanding and know the depth of having a child. Besides naturally speaking a mother is important to a child than a father and in One Piece mothers earn too so the one job of the father is also fulfilled and as for the father figure they've always found an alternative and if not they've lived with the village

Yassop did become a pirate after Ussop was born but Yassop still knew what was more important to him just like every other father who had to leave a child. Some peoples goals are just too big and responsible to have a family time

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u/Specialist-Plan707 Explorer Feb 25 '21

I'm sure Roger fucked up Ace really hard if it wasn't for Whitebeard.

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u/Marls_LeTort Feb 25 '21

On second thought, Luffy is a retard and not interested in girls at the age of 19. Usopp was a liar and a coward. Maybe I was wrong about Oda and he was making a statement...

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u/Cemilion Feb 26 '21

Luffy is dumb as hell because he has never had any proper schooling and just follows his instincts. And, him not liking girls is because he can’t get a hard on because he’s made of rubber.

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u/onerb2 Mar 02 '21

Gomu gomu no elephant dong my man

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u/Beekeeper_Bard Feb 25 '21

Besides Usopp and Makino's child (we don't know if the father is out of the picture), who else is like that?

Luffy's father is a revolutionary and Luffy isn't interested in becoming one, he idolized Roger and had Garp as a father figure somewhat. Sanji had a father figure in Zeff and was ready to stay with him until Zeff pushed Sanji into joining. Franky and Chopper had loving father figures that were taken from them, not abandoned.

Sabo hated his parents and grew up with amnesia but still had Dragon.

Ace hated the world maybe more than he hated his father.

To be fair, all of them turn up pirates and criminals, they all have plenty of issues.

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u/Redd_Hood Feb 25 '21

It's an eastern religion thing. From what I understand it's based in Buddhism.

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u/ScorpionTheInsect Feb 25 '21

I grew up in an Eastern country whose main religion is Buddhism and I don’t understand what you mean. Buddhism has a lot of different schools, many of them outright ban having children because lust is an earthly desire.

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u/Redd_Hood Feb 25 '21

Thats just something I remember reading somewhere. Don't recall all the details. It did have something to do with letting go of earthly desires and apparently one of them was family? I'd have to look into this again to be sure.

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u/EnricoPucciC-Moon Feb 25 '21

Its just one of the bad things about Oda's writing and one of the plots he uses alot

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u/Cizarius Prisoner Feb 25 '21

Umm shanks doesn’t have left ring finger; thus, he can’t get engaged.

Flawless Logic! Don’t bother arguing.

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u/Sogeking33 Feb 24 '21

There are cactuses in the background of shanks' panel and there are no cactuses in Foosha village so I'm confused.

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u/oden_920 Feb 24 '21 edited Feb 24 '21

Makino has the ring in the chapter 806 that is before the wedding (838), the two mini-adventures are not connected...

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u/Jake_D_Dogg Pirate Feb 25 '21

actually they happen on the same day because it's part of the cover story series of people reacting to the news of Luffy's new bounty

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u/oden_920 Feb 25 '21

But Makino is clearly in her bar because we see her behind the counter, while Shanks is on any island

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u/CachopoJohn Feb 25 '21

They married via zoom call

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u/neyr_12 Feb 25 '21

covid style

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u/Kantatrix Feb 25 '21

This doesn't even make sense. The party where Makino is seen wearing the band is in a chapter before the Shanks story, and in the cover for 838 it is directly specified "At a wedding that takes place within the ruins of a certain island". Unless Foosha village is on said "ruined" island how/why would Makino and Shanks even wanna get wed in that specific spot? Not to mention we can see cacti in the background, something that as I recall was not really a thing in East Blue.

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u/sisterhoyo The Revolutionary Army Feb 25 '21

Yeah this sub suckd

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u/ARNList Feb 24 '21

Shanks’ island probably isn’t dawn island. Makino is on dawn island. Makino and the bandits are celebrating Luffy (there’s a banner on the wall), not a wedding. If they were married, shanks (in that cover) is not at their wedding.

I’m not saying it’s not possible, I’m saying these two images next to each other says nothing.

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u/GiantBlackWeasel Feb 25 '21

Also one thing that struck out to me for Shanks is that Lucky Roo is not there.

I'm assuming that HE was the one that got hitched. If these guys were shown at a wedding but no one was wearing the suit, it should be the guy who wasn't shown. I think Lucky Roo got married.

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u/mimike500 Pirate Feb 24 '21 edited Feb 24 '21

The cover page says; Wedding at a certain island.... the wedding had to be a secret wedding because Shanks is a Yonkou, and He doesn't want to rush Makino into danger. Nobody said that Makino and the bandits in the cover page celebrating a wedding.... Makino just wears a wedding ring in this cover page.

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u/ARNList Feb 24 '21

These events are happening at the same time.

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u/mimike500 Pirate Feb 24 '21

No, these events not necessary happened at the same moment, maybe same days were between them.

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u/SSj_NoNo Feb 25 '21

Hell it could even be hours given there’s so many islands in the one piece world

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u/Kata_Kuri36 Feb 25 '21

Shanks is an ultimate speedrunner if he has married makino in the east blue and headed right away to marie geiose and is basically now stationed somewhere in the new world.

Because the cover story „from the decks of the new world“ happened at the same time for all people involved so it cannot be that shanks and makino are in different seas if they have indeed married.

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u/RandomThiccBoii Pirate Feb 26 '21

Oda said something among the lines "Yes Makino had a child... and the father is probably, no, is definitely that person" so someone that we've probably seen around Makino. It's obviously not Luffy, Ace or Sabo, clearly not a Mountain Bandit neither Garp or the Mayor of the Village. Only one left is Shanks... There's not a chance that it was a random nobody after Oda refered to him as "that person" = someone we know and Shanks is the only one left that would make any sense. Only thing that makes the theory hard to believe is the fact that Shanks is an Emperor, an Emperor casually traveling through the weakest of seas would cause an uproar but knowing well that he has connections with the WG he might have went under the radar. I mean Roger was the most wanted man at his time but still managed to find a woman and have a child in the South Blue without anyone knowing who she was exactly, so it shouldn't be imposible for Shanks. It would be nice if it was revealed that he is the father. Though I would still find weird to know that a Yonko casually returned to the East Blue, the weakest of seas, only to impregnate a woman he met over 10 years ago and then go back to the New World all while the Era was changing, Blackbeard was on the rise and everything was chaos.

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u/syed_abubaker15 Feb 26 '21

yea but then again Shanks saw his captain do it so why couldn't he do it himself...he learned from the best after all

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u/schenk_ Feb 24 '21

I would really like that but i think its not possible.

As a yonko shanks would not leave the new world like all the other yonko never left new world except whitebeard to save ace.

Even if he would leave the new world the wg would know and track him all the time.

Anyone would notice, wg or big moms mysterious spys. He is to famous to marry secretly

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u/Rmstorm1 Feb 25 '21

We lnow for a fact he left the New world to see makino from the Ace novel, when Ace met Shanks, he was wondering how pretty makino was with ben beckmen saying she grew up mighty fine.

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u/schenk_ Feb 25 '21

Haven’t read the ace novel. Thank for the information

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u/syed_abubaker15 Feb 26 '21

I mean........the Pirate King got a kid and no one really cared until he died

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u/CDNCRLS Feb 24 '21

Ok. You got my hope up. Better be right

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u/emperoroftheeast Feb 25 '21

i suppose shanks ring was hidden on his other arm

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u/dohtje Feb 25 '21

Luffy has the One Piece, Shanks has a Side Piece

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u/psoreasis Feb 25 '21

That child about to awaken conquerer’s haki at age of 2

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u/Onyxsage12 Feb 25 '21

Not sure. I feel like it will be someone we know but from an arc way back

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u/monkie-see-monkie-do Feb 24 '21

correlation!= causation.

nazi drank water. i also drink water. coincidence? i think not! /s

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u/Kananamii Feb 24 '21

I thought she accidentally got pregnant.

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u/ilovebluebarries123 Feb 25 '21

???

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u/Kananamii Feb 25 '21

As in, it wasn’t planned, no wedding or whatever.

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u/syed_abubaker15 Feb 26 '21

why? Makinos character isn't shown that way......

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u/Kananamii Feb 26 '21

I’m not looking down on her character, I really like Makino. I also know she’s known Shanks for a long time but there’s many reasons to how you can get accidentally pregnant so I thought it was one of those times. If she got married to Shanks then that’s even better.

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u/Temporary_Bake Feb 24 '21

Maybe its just the translation but won't it say "At his wedding" rather than "At a wedding" if Shanks was the one getting married.

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u/Gunthalas The Revolutionary Army Feb 25 '21

If the cover art switched released it would be so plausible... I don't think Shanks would've sail with Makino off the island to another just to get married... but married before baby is born now that make sense but Oda could be playing with time on cover arts too, who knows.

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u/ZunyoEdrich Feb 25 '21

It would make sense if it's shanks.. imagine luffy telling stories to shanks jr. At the bar and becomes the next luffy...

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u/divinesleeper Feb 25 '21

This is making me think that both Shanks and Luffy will die by the end of the series and one of Luffy's crewmates will pass the strawhat on to Shanks' kid. Or maybe Luffy himself.

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u/BlakeDG Feb 25 '21

I still like to think he's the dad. It's the most wholesome theory in here

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u/tobbe1337 Feb 25 '21

Shanks will die and then when his kid is 8 Luffy will be his shanks in the same small town. Or something

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u/syed_abubaker15 Feb 26 '21

I'd hate Oda for life if he pulls off some Bpruto shit.

but tbh the One Piece world goals will end with One Piece so I am happy

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u/tobbe1337 Feb 26 '21

I meant as in the final chapter not a new series :P

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u/ArnGreil Feb 25 '21

Annyway, how could shanks marry without a left hand? That ring made me think... Shanks dont even have a necklace to hold the ring... Why show makino with ring then?? Must be someone else... I mean, he could, but stuff arent shipping quite right... Maybe oda show us later

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u/Mr_NeCr0 Feb 25 '21

This is why I still come this subreddit. Occasionally there is genuine detective work. Great job!

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u/akazaya9 Feb 25 '21

This is not detective work though... Because it makes no sense.

The fact that Shanks is the father of Makino's child is a popular old theory based on Oda's answer to an SBS where he said that Makino is married and the father is "that person".

The cover page on the left later confirmed that Makino is married because she wears a wedding ring. But the wedding Shanks is at in the second cover, "within the ruins of a certain island", is totally unrelated to Makino, who at the same time is on Dawn Island, where there are no ruins nor tall cactus. These two covers take place on the same day. So that can't be Shanks and Makino's wedding.

Real detective work would be pointing out that Woop Slap's shirt has the letter "S" all over. That could be Oda hinting at Shanks.

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u/Mr_NeCr0 Feb 25 '21

There's a 30 chapter difference between the two panels, so it's not like there couldn't have been some travel in between.

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u/akazaya9 Feb 25 '21

It's possible, but the two panels are part of the same cover page serial showing people reacting to the same newspaper. The News Coos are known to be punctual and reliable in bringing news, I don't think there could be a huge delay unless one of those places is isolated like Wano.

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u/Mr_NeCr0 Feb 25 '21

Keep in mind, Dadan already read the newspaper up on the mountain and knows Sabo is dead. It could be entirely likely that they simply re-aquainted themselves when Makino came back to town.

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u/Quiet_Firefighter_54 Feb 25 '21

plot twist it was the mayor all along is the father of makino child

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u/syed_abubaker15 Feb 26 '21

I just realised and could be wrong but we never saw Shanks fingers in the manga after the time skip...we know a ring cannot be on his left hand cuz...yeah but what about the right one?

To be fair it would be lowkey irresponsible to show off he is married because the WG will definitely try to track it down but still Shanks fingers except the thumb were always naturally hidden

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u/Redd_Hood Feb 25 '21

I believe the baby is Shanks kid. No way to prove it though. Or even make sense of it.

But thats the only person it could be imo.

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u/alex494 Feb 25 '21

It could be literally anybody from her village, she might have a random boyfriend or something

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u/Cuttlefishbankai Feb 25 '21

Woop slap is the father

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u/Altrustic-Dictator Feb 25 '21

Shanks is Curly Dadan’s child. Calling it now

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u/mimike500 Pirate Feb 25 '21

And Nami is also Curly Dadan's child (orange hair) wich makes her Shanks sister... :D

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u/PeteTheRat Feb 24 '21

This is amazing

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u/Hegth Feb 24 '21

I dunno im between shanks or Ace

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u/kryptonzera Pirate Feb 24 '21

Surely it’s Ace lmao

Why are people like this

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u/sabzino1up Feb 24 '21

Her child is still an infant so how tf could it be Ace if he’s dead lol? It’s more than likely shanks, maybe someone else.

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u/kryptonzera Pirate Feb 24 '21

Idk man after over a year on this sub I can say that most people here aren’t the brightest lmao

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u/TheRealArondight Feb 25 '21

We have no idea how old that baby is. Ace leaving a legacy with his only childhood girl friend is more plausible than an emperor coming back and knocking up a bartender in that village he visited once.

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u/sabzino1up Feb 25 '21

She’s way too old to fall under “childhood friend”being almost 10 years older than Ace lol, she’s much more like an older sister to him and Luffy.

And yes we do have a rough idea how old the kid is. During reverie we clearly see him crawling around and still wearing baby clothes when Makino is reading the newspaper about Sabo. The baby at most is 2 years old so it’s basically impossible for his father to be Ace. If you don’t wanna believe that it’s shank’s kid then fine but he makes a LOT more sense than Ace considering the timeline.

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u/TheRealArondight Feb 25 '21

Ace was 20, Makino was 29. It's not the biggest stretch. Sabo is another possibility, the hair color is similar.

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u/sabzino1up Feb 25 '21

Bro how can Ace knock up Makino if he is DEAD???!?!?! The kid is literally an INFANT that still crawls around. It is literally IMPOSSIBLE for ace to be the father?!??? And even if you did want ace x Makino to be a thing, she’s known him since he was a kid and is much older than him, it would be really fkn weird lol.

Also Sabo is an even bigger stretch loool. That’s so random like wtf??

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u/sabzino1up Feb 25 '21

Sabo being the father makes no sense bro, you’re telling me his first thing to do after gaining his memories was to go back and knock up Makino??? His relationship with Makino is nothing like that, she was like 19 when they were 10 and was looking after them like they were her younger brothers. It’s not gonna happen bro.

Also sabo x koala is already kind of a thing. It just doesn’t make sense for it to be sabo too. Shanks by elimination is the most logical choice.

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u/ikqaz Feb 24 '21

Who is the guy behind Shanks?

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u/mimike500 Pirate Feb 24 '21

Rockstar

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u/GallopingGorilla Feb 25 '21

Who is Rockstar?

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u/mimike500 Pirate Feb 25 '21

The guy who talked with Whitebeard in chapter 234. He was the messenger of Shanks.

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u/dadap26 Feb 25 '21

Is there any evidence that say the child is Makino's kid ?

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u/mimike500 Pirate Feb 25 '21

Oda confirmed it in an SBS 63.

" D: The thing that concerns me is the cover of chapter 614. You see how Makino-san is holding a baby? Does that mean that baby is Makino-san's child?! And does that mean the father is me?! P.N. Dandelion

O: NOT YOU!!! (Shock)

...ah... Sorry. Well--. Seems Makino-san became a mother. She looks very happy. The father is maybe that person-. Yeah, probably that person."

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u/jugol Feb 25 '21

The father is maybe that person-. Yeah, probably that person."

Honestly this bit is a bigger hint than the cover stories.

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u/dadap26 Feb 25 '21

Thanks.

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u/nightwing612 Feb 25 '21

I'm hoping it's Ace's.

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u/shockzz123 Feb 24 '21

Except the child is an infant and Ace has been dead for 2 years at this point lmao.

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u/shockzz123 Feb 25 '21

Right, but you can deduce and say it's pretty unlikely to be Ace:

  • He died two years ago.
  • The child looks like he's about 2 years old, never mind older.
  • Right after Marineford, we saw Makino. She wasn't pregnant at that point.
  • Even suspecting she was pregnant, it would be very very early on as she wasn't showing at all. And considering how he was chasing BB for the entire series before that point, i doubt he'd find time to go back and knock up Makino. He was in the Grand Line the whole time. Which means, IF Ace did impregnate her, he'd have to have, for some reason, put his BB search on hold (which he wouldn't do, as we've seen how determined he is - and before you say it, he met Luffy in Alabasta because he knew Luffy was going to be there, he didn't have to go out of his way to meet Luffy), leave the Grand Line, go back to East Blue, alllll the way back to Foosha Village, knock up Makino, go back into the Grand Line, by this point it's been a few weeks and BB could be anywhere by now if Ace was on his trail, and find BB almost immediately (within a few weeks of returning to the Grand Line, despite BB also having a few weeks to move on somewhere else because Ace had to go back to visit Foosha) and then the rest of the story you know.

Like, it's not impossible i guess, but it's very, VERY unlikely imo.

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u/shockzz123 Feb 25 '21

I feel like that just adds to my point tbh. If it took Luffy months to get from East Blue to Sabaody, Ace isn't getting back to Foosha Village and then back to the Grand Line in a few days, that's a trip that's at least a couple of weeks, both ways. And i feel like Ace's search for BB took roughly the same amount of time - months.

Granted, we don't exactly know where Banaro Island is, but we can assume it's deep in the Grand Line and not near the start of it or something. It would be like Luffy doing a u-turn at Water 7 or Thriller Bark, it'd take a good chunk of time to go back to East Blue, and then back to where he left off in the Grand Line. And it's not like Ace can go across the Calm Belt either, as far as i know, so he'd have to go through Reverse Mountain, which is the longer way to leave the GL lol.

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u/shockzz123 Feb 25 '21

True. Although in defence of the Hancock-Impel Down thing, we have no idea how close Amazon Lily is to Impel Down, and she stopped there on her way to Marineford. Impel Down - Marineford - Sabaody - Amazon Lily are all close to each, i'd guess, since Rayleigh straight up swam to Lily from Sabaody lol.

For what it's worth i don't think the father is Shanks either. Honestly, i'm not sure who it is, but i don't think it's either Shanks or Ace. Wouldn't surprise me if it's no one relevant lol.

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u/tiger2205_6 Feb 25 '21

He could make it through the Calm Belt. His boat moves because of his fruit.

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u/KaizokuD Feb 25 '21

uh no i doubt he stopped his hunt for BB, to go aaaaall the way to east blue to see his gf?

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u/KSmoria Feb 25 '21

He traveled the world chasing BB, plausible he'd stop in on his oldest girl friend Makino

He traveled the grandline, not the whole world. When he's on a revenge hunt, going through the reverse mountain to east blue to fool around is not a route he can afford to take.

And we can judge the child was conceived within the timeskip.

I'm not saying Shanks makes 100% sense either, but in 2 years there's time to get married and leave an offspring before the final gears for the dawn of the world start turning. Just like Roger did before he died.