r/OnePiece • u/tutumaracas • Feb 15 '21
[Chapter 1004] An infographic of the fights in Onigashima's Raid Discussion
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u/JustARandom-dude Feb 15 '21
Thanks for putting Enel there. You gave me a good laugh
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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '21
You're welcome.
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u/MariJoyBoy Feb 15 '21
that's not even you !
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u/mcallisterco Feb 16 '21
Sorry, I'm the guy that runs literally every Reddit account other than yours, I logged into the wrong account, my bad.
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u/tutumaracas Feb 15 '21
Sorry, I'm late (busy weekend!). Here's another update. I tried to sort out the different areas in the 1st floor. Feel free to correct me if I got something wrong (maybe we already know which floor some of the characters in the "unknown" section already is).
I moved Nico Robin to the 3rd floor since she might be undercovered as the girl with an eye tag on her face (this is speculation though!). Btw, don't hurt me, Enel is just a joke.
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u/PsychoLogical25 Pirate Feb 15 '21
I see you’re in on the Enel joke (even if it’s getting old now). And man, it’s literally been a long while since Carrot and Wanda vs Perospero, wonder what happened to them.
And I’m pretty much still curious on what the status of Yamato and Momo and Shinobu are at the moment as well.
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u/Lorm25 Feb 15 '21
I'm curious about Jinbei vs Who's who as well. Even more so, because that setup ended on a cliffhanger.
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u/PsychoLogical25 Pirate Feb 16 '21
You can say that half of the shit ongoing has been left as cliffhangers, even for a long while now.
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u/trashykiddo Feb 16 '21
people in the discord were saying the joke was getting old after like 2 hours of the scan being announced there lol
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u/OrganicWeed765 Feb 16 '21
Mark my words, Enel being the silhouette will be a constant meme in this fandom, for years to come.
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u/ThePhantomRaven Feb 16 '21
Even after the reveal?
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u/CabbageTheVoice Feb 16 '21
I am pretty certain that no matter what the next silhouette is that we will see, somebody will find a bloody way to claim that it is Enel :D
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u/Mike_Thogarn Feb 15 '21
I thought Robin was running with Brook, up the tower to get to the roof? But amazing job!
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u/tutumaracas Feb 15 '21
This is what we saw last chapter! I just moved here to third floor to give focus on the discussion/speculation that she might be the girl with the eye tag on her face
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u/SolidB0NY Pirate Feb 15 '21
it also makes sense for her to show up there at some point since they've mentioned her in that floor
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u/Coolkidfortnite5 Feb 15 '21
Kinda pissed off that Usopp has to have a 2 v 2 but whatever
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u/tutumaracas Feb 15 '21
It will be interesting to see two support characters fighting two strong and durable fighters (if the fight doesnt change)
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u/Coolkidfortnite5 Feb 16 '21
I know I just miss when Usopp was getting really cool moments to shine the only one I can remember atm from post time skip is haki
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u/Zen_of_Thunder Feb 16 '21
Unless they get to the roof and steal Zeus back, Nami and Usopp aren't beating Ulti and PageOne without serious help.
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u/AlexStonehammer Feb 16 '21
Usopp doesn't often have 1v1's, he doesn't have the durability for it. The only one I can think of is Perona and that's just because he was immune to her DF.
Alabasta and Enies Lobby were the 2 big "1v1 fights" arc, and even in those he was partnered up with Chopper and Zoro respectively.
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u/PixelPals Feb 16 '21
the 'fight' during enies lobby was when he took down spandam imo, he did not help zoro in the slightest
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u/aitan_3 Feb 16 '21
Well, there were also the fight with Pciu at Arlong Park and the fight with Luffy at Water Seven. There might be others, I am not sure.
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u/milkyjoe241 Feb 16 '21
It doesn't have to be 2v2. It just currently is 2v2. Things are still developing.
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u/trane20 Feb 16 '21
Marco is such a beast he is literally holding this raid together by keeping queen and king busy
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u/DeepPackage Feb 16 '21
“Marco can you fight king and queen at the same time?”
“Sure”
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u/Roronoa_Zoro_ Feb 17 '21 edited Feb 17 '21
I suspect Drake and Chopper will take Queen off his hands so he can focus on King. Queen will be taken down by a team.
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u/DeepPackage Feb 17 '21
They are both right hands of an emperor, and both transform in winged beasts. that would be a perfect fight.
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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '21 edited 10d ago
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u/tutumaracas Feb 15 '21
Too much stuff happening at the same time. It's kinda like Ennies Lobby but now we have three times the number of main fights! The infographic is not 100% correct but I hope it helps us to remember some of the main stuff!
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u/sanctaphrax Feb 16 '21
I love One Piece fights when I read them straight, but they're kinda painful week-by-week.
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u/tutumaracas Feb 16 '21
Me too. It's just too short weekly. I always reread an arc after it finishes and find it waaaaay better (for example dressrosa)
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u/trashykiddo Feb 16 '21
same, i wish that the manga would just focus on one place at a time during times like these because it feels kind of annoying/boring to have to wait for having a break next week while getting kaido's hybrid form silhouette last week and this week we read about sanji just doing nothing because he doesnt want to hurt his enemy...
still though i do find that there is a benefit to this style of development because it gives that one piece feel where the world isnt just static as soon as the main characters show on screen(/panel) and other stuff is happening other than just where luffy is.
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u/xCeePee Feb 16 '21
We need one of these for every break lol. This is pretty nicely done especially the out of combat portion. The Enel prop is perfect though! haha.
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u/Siere Thriller Bark Victim's Association Feb 16 '21
The fact that the fights are this in depth and there’s so much going is one of the things I love so much about One Piece, it’s all so well done not that i need to tell anyone here that
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u/vichomatias Feb 16 '21
I can't but feel a proud-mama mode about Marco. Just saw it in the anime saying Yoi as a lil boi in WB crew, and now look at him, fighting two Calamities at the same time. I love that guy
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u/TaffyLacky Feb 15 '21
Man I really want Bepo to go the roof in Sulong so that all the vice captains are there.
Plus it'd be funny to see Bepo being similar to Chopper in terms of being far beyond their bounty.
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u/tutumaracas Feb 15 '21
Yeah, I hope Bepo gets an interesting fight too and doesnt keep fighting only fodders
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u/milkyjoe241 Feb 16 '21
Hopefully Bepo just does something plot relevant.
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u/trashykiddo Feb 16 '21
thats one thing that im a little bit bothered with right now is how kidd and law (and their crews) dont seems nearly as strong as luffy's and it feels like they cant really do anything to hurt the yonko since neither kidd nor law nor killer (nor bepo) have advanced CoA. i can see the way that law can hurt the yonko without having advanced CoA because of his radiation attacks and i guess once zoro makes a cut through kaido's scales then killer can slash at inside of the cut and not have to worry about scales or advanced CoA but kidd has nothing... hopefully kidd will gain advanced CoA in this fight (even though it would seem kind of forced if it wasnt done perfectly since he has fought yonko before and he is only getting it in this specific fight when luffy and law are there).
TLDR: kidd and law (mainly kidd) are way less useful than luffy rn and i dont like it
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u/milkyjoe241 Feb 16 '21
I think Kidd and Killer have been handled well.
Kidd is the only Supernova to fight 3 Yonkos so far and he's survived all 3. His actions in the mines (as well as other details) show he's equal to Luffy. Killer I'm excited to see more about. Mainly because he's been shown to be the parallels of Zoro to Luffy.
And imagine if we followed Kidd this whole story, seeing all the islands he explored. We know Luffy is a close competitor to him and we finally get to the point on the rooftop. We wouldn't know much about Zoro. We know he carries 3 swords, was fighting a dude on the snowy bridge, and was seriously injured at the slave auction. We wouldn't know how he uses the 3 swords at a time, that he can make air slashes, his demon aura, or the histories of his swords. Killer is like that, there's so much more we could know about him and the fight has just started. Killer's already shown some unique stuff and we could see more.
Second thing I like about Killer's situation is : after Luffy finally damaged Kaido Killer dropped the line "so we do have a chance of winning this". Meaning Killer ran up to the rooftop with his captain not knowing if they could win this fight. He followed purely to support Kidd. So he might not be able to damage a Yonko as easily as the other guys. But like you mentioned if he works with the others he can be of use.
I also think people are over emphasizing CoA. Like you say, Law has his unique way of damage. CoA was the technique Luffy needed, which is why the story focused on it a lot. Zoro took a slightly different route with training with a haki draining sword. Kidd and Killer can have their own unique skills they bring to the fight.
And I have a whole other rant on Bepo, but that one's on how annoying it is that his character doesn't get to do stuff.
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u/trashykiddo Feb 16 '21
really good points on how the roles would be reversed if we followed kidd instead of luffy. still though to me it doesnt make sense why killer wouldnt try to use some big attack like zoro used when he tried cutting kaido. he also has a unique weapon which i would say is usually a good thing in anime but right now it worries me because in one piece we have different special swords of different ranks and everything which could draw us to the conclusion that his weapon probably isnt super high end like zoro's swords and judging by his attack on kaido it makes me feel that killer really has no trump card (no enma, possibly no df, no advanced CoA). another thing that i didnt mention was how kidd and law's attacks to start off the fight felt a lot weaker than luffy's move to start of the fight. someone can argue that the move they all did to start of the fight was one of the most important since they probably wont get that opportunity to do a big attack like that until near the very end of the fight. kidd just tried crushing kaido IIRC and law opened a room and tried throwing a couple of rocks at him or something which considering when that was a one time chance it really feels like luffy is already out of their league. sure we dont know much about killer and kidd (and to less of an extent, but law too) but i think those first attacks shouldve shown us alot in what they can do. obviously i may be completely wrong and oda finds a way to make all of them almost equally useful, but i wouldnt be surprised if zoro ends up doing more than both kidd and killer in this fight...
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u/milkyjoe241 Feb 16 '21
I have 2 thoughts on that which you might find interesting :
Maybe Luffy is supposed to be stronger. This is the fight where he shows us he's on top of the new generation or the leader. Maybe Luffy's abilities is supposed to be what makes the way for victory in this fight.
This first scrimmage might not be the final fight. I've thrown around the idea of Kaido dropping Onigishama (spelling) mid fight. That would destroy the skull and send everyone scattered around the capital. This would make everyone have to reorganize and give a chance for Kidd and Law to get better or use their skills elsewhere. The final fight could be Luffy v. Kaido 1v1 days from now.
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u/trashykiddo Feb 16 '21
i can see everything you said playing out in the actual story, but to me it would be disappointing for us to see that kidd had a slightly higher bounty than luffy in sabaody (obviously bounty doesnt directly equate to strength but it should mean that he is really close in strength to him from a story telling POV) and then when we actually see kidd do something in the story on screen luffy is already out of his league and luffy is being a successful pirate, already (not really being one but) being called an emperor of the sea while kidd has lost every fight we know that hes taken in the new world. im fine with luffy being stronger than kidd since luffy is the main character, but then to me it just would feel like a let down that someone introduced as a potential rival to luffy is just nowhere close to luffy.
TLDR: im fine with luffy being stronger but i think kidd shouldnt be that far off from him because of their bounties in sabaody
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u/SkarKrow Feb 15 '21
Hopefully sanji can escape and save Queen from Marcos wrath.
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u/trashykiddo Feb 16 '21
Hopefully sanji can stop being a bitch and save Queen from Marcos wrath.*
/s
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u/tycornett9 Feb 16 '21
it may just be my bias showing, but i still feel like Sanji is being shafted by not fighting in the big fight. let my cook boy prosper...
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u/Oreo-and-Fly Feb 16 '21
He is gathering information. He'll be set Up for something good, Oda always does this with him.
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u/tycornett9 Feb 16 '21
i get that, but do we think what Oda has him do will be comparable to what Oda is having Zoro do right now? i’m just not too sure honestly. but i do trust Oda.
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u/Groundy74 Feb 15 '21
We really need to see brook do something
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u/tutumaracas Feb 15 '21
If Robin takes Black Maria then I think it makes sense to Brook to go against Who's Who! This would allow Jimbe to focus on a stronger opponent like the calamities
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u/Oreo-and-Fly Feb 16 '21
The way it's set up seems to be done for Jinbe to fight Who's Who...
Plus he's a Fishman against cats zoans smiles.
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u/CompControlled Feb 16 '21
I get the vibe that most of these match ups are temporary. We're probably gonna get some swapping around like at Enie's Lobby. A few fights stayed the same but most got swapped about.
Of the current fights I only think Jinbe vs Who's Who is gonna be permanent, just cause of them having some history. Robin will probably take over vs Black Maria, I'm guessing Sanji is gonna shout out to everyone using that girl's power which will lead Robin to fighting Maria. Honestly though I can't really see enough enemies for every straw hat to get a proper fight. I'm especially struggling to fit Brook and Sanji in.
I could also see Franky vs Sasaki sticking and I'd be fine with that but I really want Franky vs Queen. Every new thing we see of Queen makes him the perfect Franky fight and I just don't see Sanji or Zoro being a super compelling fight for Queen. Queen's personality would bounce off Franky perfectly, in a similar way to Senor Pink. I can see them having a super funk off. They are also both cyborg scientists with connections to Vegapunk, it fits almost too perfectly. Only question is if Franky is strong enough which I think he totally is. People underestimate Franky cause he takes the piss most of the time. Senor Pink was only a tough fight for Franky cause he limited himself to basic attacks and didn't put anything into defense but if he actually gave a shit I bet we'd see Enie's Lobby level power. People often forget Franky destroyed the Water 7 saga beating 2 CP9 members and holding his own against characters like Luffy and Lucci. I'd honestly argue he was stronger than Sanji and Zoro at the time of meeting them but has definitely fallen behind now. Franky has also just been really tame in his use post-TS with most of his flashy action moments being with the general but I bet he has loads of tricks left to use. Sorry to rant but I love Franky and I just really want him to get the justice he deserves.
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u/olaveiras Feb 15 '21
I love this multiple moving charts during confrontations in arcs.
By far myy favorite, because we have a bunch of different pirate crews, tribes, organizations and mysteries between
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u/cranomort Feb 15 '21
This is great! You should to a detailed Onigashima map, especially the castle because it's difficult to visualize where everyone is. Tag me if you do.
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u/SilentB3ast Feb 16 '21
Of course Robin isn’t fighting anyone.
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u/trashykiddo Feb 16 '21
i think she is actually with brook but there was speculation that she was posing as one of the girls with the eye symbol on the piece of paper over their face because sanji was or wasnt looking at her or something
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u/Sanctum1 Feb 16 '21
Waiting for Brook to do something nvp worthy again hahaha he keeps coming out against the yonko like a boss.
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u/veskoandroid Feb 16 '21
Lol, tama+gifters revolution. Reminds me of tog spearevolution.
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u/tutumaracas Feb 16 '21
I'm reading ToG for rhe first time and saw the spearrevolution just the day before yesterday hahaha! I like the sense of humor in tog.
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u/Korfusan Feb 16 '21
Idk why are they saying Enel is a joke. You just wanted to show them who is where.
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u/Tolekkk Feb 16 '21
Just putting it out there but I'm not so sure the Wano arc will have 5 acts and we might finish with this one and that was the plan all along. Waiting for fandom to be disappointed by it because of headcannon expectations.
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u/Abi_slayer234 Feb 16 '21
Black Maria starts kicking Sanji-
Sanji: Yes baby! Harder! Harder!
Black Maria : Stop it!
(Black Maria grabs a Dem Den Mushi and calls Kaido)
Black Maria : Captain! I’m torturing Black Leg for information but he is enjoying it.
Kaido : Damnit Black Leg! Stop enjoying it!!
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u/oortuno Feb 16 '21
It seems everyone in the comments can take a joke, so nevermind, but I was gonna suggest an asterisk next to Enel so no one took it seriously.
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u/Raiko_hpff Feb 15 '21
Wasn't Law's crew shown fighting on the first floor near Chopper?
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u/tutumaracas Feb 15 '21
It was shown in a pannel close to Chopper's pannel but we can't be sure that they are still in the first floor... makes some sense tho
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u/MariJoyBoy Feb 15 '21
I'm still waiting for BM's familly to arrive and provoke huge chaos
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u/tutumaracas Feb 15 '21
I don't think they are going to arrive anytime soon. It took them some days to try to go up the waterfall after they were knocked down by King and I guess it should take at least a day to try again...
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u/MariJoyBoy Feb 15 '21
Next time they reach the top, a yonko's flying officer will knock them down a third time. Yeah, I'm talking about Sanji !
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u/Oreo-and-Fly Feb 16 '21
I recall everyone was joking about how Pell or Pierre would be the next one knocking them down.
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u/heavenlyunique Feb 16 '21
wano country are elevated, plus kaidou flied up whole onigashima, there is chance enel could come.
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Wano_Country?file=Wano_Country_Geography.png
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u/bjb406 Feb 15 '21
Apoo is out of action, drake is defending Chopper from the mob on the main floor. Enel is not there.
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u/tutumaracas Feb 15 '21
I originally thought Apoo was taken out by Drake, but people disagree and honestly we don't have clear evidence that he is still down. Drake is protecting Chopper but he is still in the Main Stage, while Chopper is outside the Main Stage but probably in some nearby room developing the cure. I have shown Drake as fighting Apoo (which he might be if Apoo is not down yet) but he is probably fighting a bunch of fodder that I just chose to omit in the infographic (this is happening everywhere basically). Your comment now makes me think that perhaps it is better to show Drake, Hyo and the mafia bosses fighting alongside against Orochi's samurais and ninjas (and Kaido's minions) since all of them are protecting Chopper in some way.
Enel is clearly just a joke.
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u/julimuli1997 Feb 15 '21
Enel comes back ?!?!?!?!
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u/tutumaracas Feb 16 '21
Hahahaha it is just a joke that the silhouette at the end of the chapter looks like enel's face (and his earlobs). It's probably someone else though
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u/Stilltheillest33 Feb 15 '21
So if Robin is taking over the black Maria fight, who's Sanji's matchup? I really hope Queen, and Marco and king can 1v1
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u/Oreo-and-Fly Feb 16 '21
Sanji could fight King. Air fighter vs Air Fighter.
But Marco and King would be cool too.
In fact either of them vs King could make amazing cinematic fights, since this is probably one of our first few proper air battles.
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u/tutumaracas Feb 15 '21
I hope so too! King is also a interesting matchup to test Sanji's flight capabilities!
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u/DumbManDumb Feb 16 '21
what if the person who saved the scabbard is kaido's wife or yamato is mother?
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u/Ichbob Feb 15 '21
You really added Enel there 😂