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One Piece: Chapter 1004 - Theories and Discussion Discussion

Chapter 1004

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u/djsircuz Feb 21 '21

The best clue that would make sense for Enel to show up I have come across is the connection between the Japanese gods of nature Raijin and Fujin. A Raijin's appearance is an obvious influence on Enel's design and Hyogoro made a point earlier in the arc that Luffy's gear 4 bore a resemblance to a god of Wano, which closely resembles a Fujin. It could make sense if Luffy's form shows some connection within him to Wano and that the same could be said of Enel. These Japanese gods mythos are connected to storms and the powers Kaido has displayed in his dragon form seem very similar. There could even be some connection so far unknown to Luffy's father's suspected weather/storm powers and Wano's obvious connection to the hidden history of the One Piece world, but that may be an even bigger stretch to connect dots.

Here's a quick reference for Raijin and Fujin.

https://www.japan-talk.com/jt/new/raijin-and-fujin

Or this could all be wrong and I'll look really dumb when the chapter comes out. Personally I love the idea of Enel getting some redemption as he's the obvious choice for most overpowered devil fruit wasted on an undeserving character in the long history of One Piece.

Note; This was a comment similar to one I made on another thread but it feels like it belongs more here.

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u/GanVictorGan Feb 21 '21

(I'm spanish so i'm apologizing already if i'm not expressing myself as good as I would do It) Actually, I love too the idea of Enel getting redemtion and taking some protagonism as I love gos design. There are many similarities between Wano and Shandora (Skypiea), fot example, both are isolated, both arcs, inicially have invencible villans, in both countries haki has an unconventional alternative name, we also see characters in both arcs with wings (in Skypiea it's obvios why and in Wano we see Hitetsu or even King). Another connection is t'he message left by "Roger" in the Gold Poneglipfh, and I think that actually was Oden who left It here un the name of the King if the Pirates as we already know he was able to write it thanks his ancestors. The fact Enel is just as the japonese God of thunder is essencial if we think the silhoutte is actually him, and in a hardly effort do It by myself trying yo figure out how Enel end up there and helping the samurai, I became with the Next idea: maybe Enel, once he was un the blue ocean another time, he wanted to prove his strenght by fighting the strongest figure un the seas, so he went to Wano to fight Kaido, and he obviosly lost and became part of Kaido's crew, and end up un the treasure room as Another connection (symbolizing the Gold) between the gold of Shandora and the gold he has to deal with now as a cruel irony and a base of that redemption we are talking about. I ignore uf Enel has like some kind if origin or strong bond with Wano that could explain why he us helping samurai, anyway, I went here to remove this thoughts of my brain and share opinions.

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u/cocnotec Feb 20 '21

How do you guys not realise the person has lipstick on and going by the figure from the panel its either hiyori or toki

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u/CompleteElephant2 Feb 17 '21

The shadowy figure... I think Doflamingo has some how made it to Wano. The little bit of eye I can see on this person's face kind of looks like his glasses to me, and I think the fact that he isn't smiling like he normally does is throwing people off. We'll see though.

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u/TheInvaderAl-1 Feb 18 '21

Maybe it's Konjuro?

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u/Anonynonynonyno Feb 15 '21

You guys need to stop with the enel theory ...
If those are ear lobes, that would be Fukurokuju, we saw him leaving the war unnoticed just after he pledged for Kaido make it obvious he's not really pledging for him ( In chapter 990 ).

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u/Astrophobia42 Feb 15 '21

But fukurokuju has a beard, the person on the last panel doesn't. I don't think it's enel btw, but it doesn't seem to be fukurokuju either.

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u/nibbler3100 Feb 15 '21

That's probably Hiyori...why would Eneru just show up out of nowhere? that doesn't seem like a very Goda-move tbh

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u/Trick_Machine_6814 Feb 15 '21

kanjuro real face ^_^

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u/reiNNSenpai Feb 15 '21

Am I the only one who think shadow guy is Donquixote Rosinante ?

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u/CherishF_ Feb 15 '21

tbh ik it's hoping but i really want it to be Enel

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u/Relevant_Mistake_548 Feb 15 '21 edited Feb 15 '21

My theory on who the shadow is: baby 5

Why? Shadow seen crying and has some lip definition/looks like lipstick. Which i think we have ran out of characters fitting the description from this arc aside from the princess. Which means if any characters of past arc were to show up its most likely a scout that operates ahead of the rest.

Which bring to the arguments againts straw hat alliance showing up at all. That are: -due to lack of intel to a secluded wano or -purpose for war

I think is clearly mistaken because: 1) everyone on dressrosa knows who doflamingo was supplying smiles with.

2) as for the specifics of where, baby 5 is now with don sai so intel isnt tight. Also i am sure luffys vivre card is littered all over like bread crumbs by now.

3) jobs not done just cause they got out of the cage together.

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u/MrVirt Bounty Hunter Feb 15 '21

She's the type to cry just because someone thinks she's important to them at that moment. It does make sense a veerrryyyy tiny bit.

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u/SkinComfortable5324 Feb 15 '21

Just imagine it is Enel. I could not be him but just imagine. So enel recognized there is someone who is using lighting techniques like him. Obviously it’s Big mom. Luffy and Co are on the edge of death, big mom ist trying to finish them off with another lighting attack, as enel showed up and bangs Kaido and big mom with a big freaking lighting out of nowhere saying: „I am the god of lighting!“

Obviously the moon has something to do with wano. My theory is that enel originally comes from wano but „ran away“ because another guy gets the chance to marry his love of the life, toki, so he went to skypia and the as we know to the moon. There he found a porneglyph or somehow any other information about wano and came back to wano. He sees his old friends dying, (maybe he is just friends with kinemon from kid days) and he is totally pissed and wipe out big mom and Kaido, and luffy finishes it off.

My theory isnt obviously perfect, but it would be a cool idea or not ?

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u/therealbellicomedy Feb 15 '21

Did anyone else see Absalom in the first page of the chapter

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u/ATARIMAEDA Feb 15 '21

Yea saw Shiryu too

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u/TendiesMeWant Feb 15 '21

Sanji being useless as usual

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u/ChanelGuilty Feb 15 '21

Pretty sure Robin’s gonna pull off a full giant body move this arc. Being able to make a giant clone of herself

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u/TheInvaderAl-1 Feb 18 '21

I would love to see thousands of tiny Robins

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u/Yasuo600 Feb 14 '21

It's the guy with long white hair at the beginning of the arc with that long nosed mask. I did think enel, but that would make no sense

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u/Yasuo600 Feb 14 '21

Hawkins and Bonney are likely cases

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u/KING-Jotaro Feb 16 '21

Bonney

While I would like her to join the arc (we wont be getting many arcs after Wano and she havent interacted with the strawhats yet) would be hard to justify her being there.

Maybe if Kuma sent her away it could work, and then the tears would be still about the Kuma situation with her only happening to land there.

Would be hard to pull off and make sense but Id be fine with it.

Hawkins is already there but I cant see him randomly crying like that.

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u/rojmayo Feb 14 '21

Lowkey it could be Jewelry Bonney. We still don't really know too much about her and she can age momo back to 28 and tie this arc to the next arc since she was at Mariejoa

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u/andrewbraaz Feb 14 '21

anyone notice robin already standing next to black maria....infiltration queen

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u/ManicRuvik Feb 23 '21

I believe that was an enemy, but, it could be Robin infiltrating. Interesting. Never thought of that myself

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u/Angondor489 Feb 14 '21

Could be someone from Shimotsuki village in East blue who escaped Wano around 50 years ago, heading back to Wano we saw him in Cover of Chapter 631 with Crocus. Thats my Theory.

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u/mousio Feb 14 '21

Alright, I'm listing the people who're more logically likely to be the shadow:

Hyori

Kanjuro

Hawkins

Personally, I'm with 'kanjuro' idea, since hyori is unlikely to have come (then again, we have dango girl), and hawkins have little incentive to help them.

And while I thought it could be our insufferable lightning Rod too at first, now I'm pretty sure Oda wants to troll us to add to the suspense🙄.

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u/KING-Jotaro Feb 16 '21

The person is smaller than Kinemon, most candidates people throw are too big, not Hyori though.

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u/meetmeinmontauk43 Feb 15 '21

Official scans its easier to see there is a small hooded person next to Kinemon. Size is most likely Hiyori, as she's smaller than zoro and zoro is like half the size of Kinemon. The size of him always throws me haha I forget how huge he and the other scabbards are.

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u/rhystench1992 Feb 14 '21

Totally different mouth shape to kanjuro though?

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u/mousio Feb 14 '21

True, but that's not the first time we've been diverted like that🤔

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u/thorsten139 Feb 14 '21

its enel...long ears back from the moon

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u/fredericktannz Cipher Pol Feb 14 '21

The silhouette is... Witching Hour Boy.

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u/mousio Feb 14 '21

That was kanjuro. This is someone else.

Momo's sister maybe (forgot her name😅)?

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u/Boombauxite Feb 14 '21

denjiro was witching hour boy

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u/bone_burrito Feb 14 '21

Hot take: what if the silhouette is the mystery person who was drinking with crocus on the cover of 631? Sorta of looks like they're wearing a striped kimono albeit the hair looks different

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u/Astrophobia42 Feb 15 '21

Isn't the one drinking with crocus Shiki the lion? It has a similar hair and outfit, and both the legs and the head are covered so we can't see the wheel and swords.

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u/KING-Jotaro Feb 16 '21

It was never confirmed still. So we dont know one way or the other.

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u/bone_burrito Feb 15 '21

I've seen people say that but who knows I don't remember what movies were coming out around 631.

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u/bowber2010 Feb 14 '21

if the silhouette isn't the long awaited return of kumadori I'll be mad

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u/greymanbomber Feb 14 '21

If I'm being honest, I'm willing to wager that the silhouette is Kanjuro.

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u/KING-Jotaro Feb 16 '21

Theres a smaller figure in the side panel that would be too small to be him, in the side to Kinemon, theres a speech bubble linked to it with '...' so I dont think thats Izou on the ground.

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u/WYWHPFit Feb 14 '21

About Sanji: do you guys think it is possible for him to try and steal that girl's mask and using it for spying on the enemy? I mean he could use it to warn Robin but everyone would hear as well so it wouldn't be so helpful. Getting to know everything about the enemies' position instead is a huge help.

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u/WYWHPFit Feb 14 '21

I just realised that Nami back in WCI used Big Mom clouds to struck her soldiers with a much powerful lightning than her own. My guess is that she will head outside and try to control Bog Mom clouds, instead of trying to take Zeus back. I don't think she will get him back and if she ever manage to it wouldn't be while Big Mom is fighting the supernovas.

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u/snplmn Feb 14 '21 edited Feb 14 '21

I'm ok with the silhouette character being Toki, if Oda is making a truly ambiguous design to throw everyone off. Explaining most other characters being there would be a hard sell for Oda at this point, except for Hawkins.

The things we know about the character are pretty basic:

  1. Long hair
  2. Soft but masculine anime/manga male features, could be turned female
  3. Appears to be crying/distressed
  4. Knows where the samurai were sent by Law

So the case for Toki is simple, she can travel through time and knew the time and place where she'd be needed. Explains itself pretty cleanly even though it feels a tiny bit cheap. Or is her power limited to going forward in time only? In that case her knowing where to be and why might get a little iffy.

Case for Hawkins is a little bit more Oda's style, he can kind of tell the future in his own way, so if the odds he's given are approaching 50/50 he might have been convinced by Law (who he's had a lot of history with in this arc) to take a chance on Luffy, in which case he and Law would have a predetermined location where Law would teleport the injured samurai (he did say he was already planning on doing that without Luffy ordering him to). Hawkins might be distressed or crying because he's not sure in the fortune he got and is scared of his chances? Or maybe he has some kind of relationship to one of the samurai? Who knows.

Hiyori would be cheap af though...

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u/Automatic_Fly5990 Feb 15 '21

We have the same thoughts sir :)

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u/WhiteImpDragon Feb 14 '21

It's making sense Toki knew where and when to be, don't forget she told the scabbards the prophecy, she knew the truth all along.

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u/Embarrassed_Fee1940 Feb 14 '21

I can't believe that Oda present the capacity of sending a message through the castle without using it. Maybe Sanji will indeed call for Robin but to warn her, to ask her to free him or to ask her to help samurai. Maybe he will use it to contact Luffy and tell him about Kaido's plan to take Robin away. What do you think will happen to Robin after Wano? Even if Black Maria is defeat, if Kaido or BM win, do you believe that she will be kidnap? If Kaido and BM are defeat, what about the Cp0?

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u/WYWHPFit Feb 14 '21

I don't see her getting kidnapped but I am sure that Sanji will use that ability to warn her and the strawhats about the danger. The only problem with this is that whatever he says to Robin would be heard by anyone else so how useful is that?

I don't think Kaido and Big Mom will win anyway, all this talking about kidnapping Robin is to set out how the strawhats will meet their next opponent, maybe Blackbeard, that will be after Robin. But honestly I'm not so sure and I'm a little biased because I would find another strawhat retrieving arc (after Robin in Enies Lobby and Sanji in WCI) repetitive and boring.

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u/stick_it_in_your_mom Feb 14 '21

If the mystery character is toki, that will be the most dumbest shit I’ve ever seen

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u/Biteyass Feb 14 '21

Might be ace

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u/stick_it_in_your_mom Feb 15 '21

I’d rather that than bitch toki

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u/Hithere123490 Feb 14 '21

Anyone else jus pissed at sanji for not fighting back ?? Like come on man everyone out there is giving it their all risking their lives and he won’t do anything. You would think he would atleast do aun once he heard they were going after Robin , but nope nothing

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u/sdtrawick Marine Feb 14 '21

I would be pissed, but I have come to expect this of Sanji, so it's hard to be shocked. Everyone who thinks Sanji is as useful as Zoro is a joke because Sanji refuses to fight 50% of the enemies.

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u/WYWHPFit Feb 14 '21

No I liked Sanji in this chapter. I have always thought his chivalry to be problematic because it comes from believing women are fragile creatures who need protection. However, when they mention Robin he doesn't freak out, he puts his trust in Robin, he is confident that she is going to manage any danger that may come her way. This is a HUGE development for him and I appreciated. Also Sanji is always the cunning one, he made Black Maria talk about their plans, he got info on Bao Huang's ability and he will use these infos to the alliance advantage. Maybe he will steal that mask to spy on the enemy. And after doing this he will move to fight either King or Queen, but I am fine with him not fighting, he shines the most when he does undercover work for the crew.

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u/stick_it_in_your_mom Feb 14 '21

Broooo I know exactly how u feel, ima sound like a dick but fr fr sanji is literally just the worst straw hat

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u/getjuicedson Feb 14 '21

sanji straight up acting like usopp during dressrosa

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u/stick_it_in_your_mom Feb 14 '21

Usopp had his little bitch boy moments too but I just hate sanji the most for some reason

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u/getjuicedson Feb 14 '21

I think he probably will redeem himself kinda like what happened in ennies lobby.

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u/idonotknow94 Feb 14 '21

Why no one is talking about Fukurokuju? He has long ears and some chapters he slipped away from the battle and no one saw him ever since. He probably wants revenge of kaido and will use his powers to cure the red scabbards.

Also, he must have a healing power, since he is based on one of the seven lucky gods and, according to Wikipedia, “he is the only god who was said to have the ability to resurrect the dead.”

I mean, if we connect the dots, it really does make sense...

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u/bone_burrito Feb 14 '21

Idk silhouette doesn't look like they have such a tall head

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u/AnUnConcerndCitizen Feb 14 '21

It's Gin from the Baratie arc finally returning.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '21 edited Feb 19 '21

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u/Trick_Machine_6814 Feb 15 '21

hawkins , kanjuro,

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u/paing997 Marine Feb 14 '21

Anyone other than Hiyori, please. No point showing Hiyori silhouette and creating hype. I know she was asked not to take part in the raid, and still she came, but this reason is not enough to show her in silhouette.

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u/gyrozepp95 World Government Feb 14 '21

But don't you want to see her cry and cheer for everyone during the raid? It'll be so exciting!

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u/MrVirt Bounty Hunter Feb 14 '21

No point showing Hiyori silhouette and creating hype. I know she was asked not to take part in the raid, and still she came, but this reason is not enough to show her in silhouette.

Agreed

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '21

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u/Jello_Cinaminnon Feb 14 '21

he did in fact make it to the moon. this is shown in a cover story.

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u/TheOldTrapper Feb 14 '21

Well shit...

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u/bone_burrito Feb 14 '21

Yep, amassed himself a automaton army

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u/SauceMeistro Feb 14 '21 edited Feb 14 '21

Here is the image of the silhouette (small, sorry) but brightened and cleared a little. Immediately, this rules it out for being Eneru, Hiyori, Toki, and O-Tsuru. Unless someone had that cross looking object and those two marks on their neck on the story at some point, this is a new character we have not seen yet; this person seems to be wearing a suit of some sort.

I assume its an unknown character.

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u/Astrophobia42 Feb 15 '21

Unless someone had that cross looking object and those two marks on their neck

What are you talking about? I don't see any cross or marks on the neck

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u/SauceMeistro Feb 15 '21

You have to look really closely. Look right below where the top of the panel starts. You can make out something that looks like a cross, not a perfect cross but like the shape, and then theres two black marks, one looks circular with two spots on it and another looks like a crescent almost. Im not fucking with you if thats what youre wondering

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u/Astrophobia42 Feb 15 '21

I still can't see it. You mean in the last panel of the chapter? Or some other previous one?

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u/SauceMeistro Feb 15 '21

Try this. Its the silhouette youre looking at, I circled the area the shapes are in and pointed right to them in this picture.

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u/Astrophobia42 Feb 15 '21

Yeah, I can see them in the image you linked, but I think that's just something to do with the printing of the magazine or something.

I was looking at the mangaplus page, there the silluete just looks black in that part.

https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1008519

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u/SauceMeistro Feb 15 '21

Not sure. Someone said that its picture distortion or something like that but those shapes especially the cross were just too neat looking to look like pixel distortions. Thought I would point it out

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u/SauceMeistro Feb 15 '21

One moment

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u/bone_burrito Feb 14 '21

Mystery man from cover of 631?

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u/Biteyass Feb 14 '21

Looks like portgas d ace

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '21 edited Feb 19 '21

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u/SauceMeistro Feb 14 '21

Not hawkins either. He doesnt have those markings on his neck. I checked.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '21 edited Feb 19 '21

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u/SauceMeistro Feb 14 '21

No, not reallt

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '21 edited Feb 19 '21

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u/SauceMeistro Feb 14 '21

The two little black circular markings? No, thats not the edge of the collar

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u/AnUnConcerndCitizen Feb 14 '21

It's Gin's earrings. The "earlobe" is a misdirect and is part of his tonfas. So ends my crack theory...

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '21 edited Feb 19 '21

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u/SauceMeistro Feb 14 '21

Oh no the cross I was talking about was on the person's cheek. I also noticed the nose had some detail, and I started wondering if this person was wearing a helmet of some sort

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u/januarysdaughter The Revolutionary Army Feb 14 '21

Imagine Tama somehow managing to get Bao Huang on their side.

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u/KING-Jotaro Feb 16 '21

That would be a good move, the entire Beast Pirates are basing their logistics on the eye paper people right now, if that falls, theyll crumble quick.

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u/colisreddit Pirate Feb 14 '21

Maybe it’s Sabo?

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u/acidtouch123 Feb 14 '21

It’s Toki. The end.

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u/BGoneThot5 Feb 14 '21

Why does it look like enel?

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u/Biteyass Feb 14 '21

Might be portgas d ace hat

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u/crazed3raser Feb 14 '21

dat earlobe. My first thought was Enel too lol

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u/BGoneThot5 Feb 14 '21

I just caught up to one piece today too and it’s a little tilting that I have to wait a week for the next chapter now

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u/xCeePee Feb 14 '21

Two weeks when there is a break lol

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u/BGoneThot5 Feb 14 '21

This might sound dumb but now that I’m week to week what day of the week does one piece release. I tried googleing it but nothing came up

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u/maranamass6268 Feb 14 '21

CBS scanlations come out on Friday. Official Viz Translations releases on Sunday I think.

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u/Spore64 Feb 14 '21

Fan translation on friday and official release on Sunday.

Whatever you do stay away from the spoiler post. I now it is hard to resist, but it will make the new chapter better.

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u/BGoneThot5 Feb 14 '21

Thanks bro appreciate you

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u/Spore64 Feb 14 '21

Np:). Welcome on board^ ^

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u/BGoneThot5 Feb 14 '21

It looks like his iconic long earlobe

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u/Dragonarmy123 Feb 14 '21

Have we been told that only germa family is able to use raid suit because of their dna. If not so it would be really cool to see someone else from crew use it maybe during fight for extra power up. It can be huge advantage if used by right person in right time.

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u/DreadPiece Feb 14 '21

Zoro could use it for flying. This would get rid of his need to have someone boost him high into the air to fight flying opponents. The boosters would also add more speed to his attacks.

Ussop could take advantage of the invisibility to snipe and not have to worry about getting attacked.

Nami could turn invisible and make a mist clone so her opponent thinks the clone is the real her. Plus while the opponent is distracted by the clone she could set up the field for one of her lighting bolt attacks.

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u/Zoro-juuro Pirate Feb 14 '21

yeah the raid suit can only be unlocked by the germa dna, hence luffy and chopper were not able to activate it when they discovered the raid suit in luffy's pocket

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u/DoctorHentai69Nice Feb 14 '21

I know he ain't Shanks, but wouldn't it be cool if it was him. We all know that Shank as well as Oden were from Rogers crew, the thing is if Shanks appears has to be something stupidly epic. So he probably is Zoros younger brother, Roronoa D. Sasuke

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u/A_BlackMamba Explorer Feb 14 '21

The silhouette's definitely Kanjuro redeeming himself after finding out Orochi is dead. He finally must have realised that the life he led being oden's vassal made him a better person.

Or it might be end of Orochi's spell/magic/influence over KANJURO that helped him regain consciousness after Orochi's death.

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u/bone_burrito Feb 14 '21

Isn't Kanjuro and some other kurozumi clansmen the ones that manipulated Orochi?

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u/mago_tiger Feb 14 '21

thats a good idea !

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u/RajiTheRajinator Feb 14 '21

bruh someone said it might eneru and for some reason i really want it to be him, but i think its going to be toki.

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u/Revolutionary_Sink_5 Feb 16 '21

someone? almost everybody saying that

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u/TheLonelyDevil91 Feb 14 '21

I really can't see anyone to intervene in the Wano war. No doubt the mini arc gonna be hyped when news spread when Wano declares them self open.

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u/Akainuthereddog Feb 14 '21

Robin is gonna have a 1 one 1 in Wano. Don't underestimate her.

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u/Reach_Reclaimer Feb 14 '21

Robin/black Maria plz

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u/KaizokuOni55 Feb 14 '21

Hey, anyone else notice that Nico Robin is already in the room with Sanji and Black Maria? She's wearing the eye mask, but what gives it away is her ponytail. And the "...." and Sanji's "...?" She is also capable of pulling off the lie of projecting her voice, etc. Place mouths and eyes where needed.

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u/[deleted] Feb 14 '21

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u/Exact_Agent_5118 Feb 14 '21

Yaaa, I've just seen it. Umm so do you have any idea who is it?

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u/dealwithit26 The Revolutionary Army Feb 14 '21

Links are not working 😕

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u/BossJimbe1p Feb 14 '21

The silhouette is Kanjuro.. oda never showed him actually dying..

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u/Jello_Cinaminnon Feb 14 '21

kanjuro is nearly the height of Kinemon

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u/BossJimbe1p Feb 14 '21

I was going off the last panel.. I didn’t realize there was someone standing next to kinemon

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u/kika009 Feb 14 '21

so is toki

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u/Helpful-Muscle-3774 Feb 14 '21

That's absolutely look like Ener

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u/irish_toys Feb 14 '21

Mystery person is Toki who also escaped the burning castle, but sent herself a few months further ahead in time than the scabbards.

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u/bone_burrito Feb 14 '21

Thatd be a stretch if that was Tokis nose, it'd also kinda take away from her resolve to die with Oden

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u/KingMarcelle Feb 14 '21

My Hail Mary of a theory is that it’s Kuina, somehow involving amnesia or death faking lol

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u/bone_burrito Feb 14 '21

Smoker and Tashigi?

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u/Spore64 Feb 14 '21

It could be a stairway which eat the human human fruit tho. Mhhh....

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u/WYWHPFit Feb 14 '21

If Wano has to be about Zoro I can see him facing his most fearsome enemy: the stairs.

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u/Svyelun Feb 14 '21

It was the stairs that killed Kuina.

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u/Spore64 Feb 14 '21

Oh no. How he will ever get off the rooftop Oo?!

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u/only_says_perhaps Feb 14 '21

That is the hat of Corazon. I'm leaving now

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u/gekkodmoriah Feb 13 '21

Eneru uses thunder on king

It’s super effective

King has fainted

Don’t even need to read the next chapter it’s obvious what’s going to happen

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u/sameeet- Feb 14 '21

The ears! How could I not see that.

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u/spiteful_platypus Feb 13 '21

Maybe the woman is yamato's mother? She asked toki to send her right to the day Kaido would be defeated

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u/rollebob Pirate Feb 13 '21

It is Izo. He left Wano with Oden and was a WB commander. He arrived with Marco probably

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u/Lesserd Pirate Feb 14 '21

Do you even read the manga? Have you not remotely been paying attention for the last 20 chapters? Izo is one of the nine...

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u/rollebob Pirate Feb 14 '21

Maybe I missed it and so? What a toxic attitude

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u/ScaldingMango Feb 14 '21

yes izo was shown to have arrived with marco and neko but he was in the samurai foght

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u/nathanrubinoff1 Feb 13 '21

Pretty sure izo's return and subsequent defeat at the hands of kaido has already happened.

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u/Jello_Cinaminnon Feb 13 '21

The shadowy figure is clearly pandaman

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u/-xMittyx- Feb 13 '21

way to point out the obvious 🙄 (jk lol)

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u/xCeePee Feb 13 '21

Silhouette is the man Rob Lucci himself. And that's all for my absurd theory and take for today.

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u/snplmn Feb 13 '21 edited Feb 13 '21

Not sure how people can call Sanji's character flaw a case of bad writing when we're talking about a shounen story. The best shounen turnarounds completely pivot on technicalities, the more ridiculous the technicality the better the turnaround.

If this was Naruto we'd get a 2 chapter explanation of how he used 47% of his leg strength while running around the room in the earlier battle to weaken the floor's structural support in a way that just when Robin's weight was added to the room the floor would cave in and give Robin the chance to get a chain of arms up Black Maria's butthole and break her spine from the inside. Or something equally stupid. Sanji against Big Mom would work too, he keeps her Homies and her attacks in check while someone else deals damage against her.

I think that if it really came down to it, Sanji would absolutely try hit a woman, only to be stopped by deus ex machina. Maybe Zoro cuts off a trapped leg to free himself as Big Mom is about to kill him, just so that Sanji won't jeopardize his own principles "Stupid moss head why would you do that" while crying, Zoro says some stupid shit like "Heh I've been wanting to do Four Sword style ever since I saw Inuarashi's leg sword, shitty cook." and everyone would be like "ODA YOU GENIUS!"

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u/obiwanjabroni74 Feb 13 '21

I mean, it is a character flaw that characters within the series even comment on. I mean, every character has at least one which is what makes them, them.

Also I think Sanji would hit Big Mom. I don't know if even sees her as a woman lol

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u/snplmn Feb 13 '21

I meant character flaw as in like, he's written poorly, English is not my first language let me edit that.

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u/pork_buns_plz Feb 13 '21

Narratively, I think it's most interesting if the person in the last panel is Toki.

There's still so much we don't know about her and her backstory has a lot of potential for interesting reveals. And if Oden's journal also doesn't say anything about her life, then it would all be lost.

Granted it's also difficult for her to be alive, because she could obviously just reveal everything about the void century, but I just think there's more interesting directions for the story to go if she's not dead after all.

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u/piece3 Feb 13 '21

More than likely hiyori it would be weird if she isnt at the battle but a 6 year old girl is there.

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u/pork_buns_plz Feb 14 '21

Yeah I don't think toki is the most likely outcome, I just think her being alive would be the most interesting option

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u/piece3 Feb 14 '21

She is more than likely alive imo she couldve just timeskipped to that exact moment then it would make sense its her

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u/snplmn Feb 13 '21

I agree that it would be cool, and as far as her knowing about the void century goes it's irrelevant because the Straw Hats don't want to learn the "cheating" way, they're gonna wait to find out on their own at the end.

I said before though, the silhouette is totally a male Oda design, whether or not he's just trying to draw a generic looking character so it can end up being anyone, we'll have to wait.

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u/theamazighspiderman Feb 13 '21

holy fuck so many here try hard being funny

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u/heat_fan_ Feb 13 '21

Hopefully some Jinbei vs Who's Who.

We see Page one tryng to check Ulti after she got hit.

The start of Robin vs BM after Sanji escapes from there

Maybe we find out who the 10th person is helping the Scabbards.

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u/Foppyjay Feb 13 '21

Obviously Monet in the last panel

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u/GanVictorGan Feb 13 '21

Obviosly it is Enel, Change my mind

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u/ChosenYasuo Feb 13 '21

Can anyone draw samurai Eneru? With a sword and all.

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u/SquirtGirl69 Feb 13 '21

What about a naked Eneru? With sword and all.

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u/Zoro-juuro Pirate Feb 13 '21

The silhouette at the end being hyori would make the most sense. She somehow made her way to onigashima/or was captured by orochi's men after kanjuro informed him. Hyori's presence on onigashima could also mean that orochi is still alive and just like before she gets in trouble and this time along with sanji, queen also makes his way to save komurosaki but like what happened during tonayasu's execution, zoro ends up saving her and fighting orochi and sanji and queen end up fighting each other!

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u/Daaj99 Feb 13 '21

Why would zoro go and fight orochi?

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u/Zoro-juuro Pirate Feb 13 '21

Cause he swore he'd get revenge for tonayasu!

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u/dcmack1 Feb 14 '21

I think he means why would he stop his battle with kaido to go save hiyori

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u/Zoro-juuro Pirate Feb 14 '21

won't saving hyori be >>>>>>>>> than fighting kaido?

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u/dcmack1 Feb 14 '21

for the actual story? no, for ship reasons maybe. If the worst generation actually take down kaido that's hugely more beneficial to Wano

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u/Daaj99 Feb 14 '21

Yeah definitely. It would be dumb of zoro not to randomly go down to the bottom floor and find hyori in trouble so he can save her and kill someone that might already be dead.

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u/Zoro-juuro Pirate Feb 14 '21

watch oda not make it random

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u/Jack_Skywalker66 Feb 13 '21

Well obviously he would stop fighting Kaido (because the supernovas are overmanned to fight 2 yonko, even when Luffy is out for ten minutes), descend to the lower levels, and fight a complete weakling that like 20 other people could deal with.

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u/piece3 Feb 13 '21

LMAO that made me laugh out loud its funny because so many OP fans actually think like this😂

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u/fladez Feb 13 '21

Is that Scooper Gaban?

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u/71RS Feb 13 '21

fuck sanji for being such a useless character whenever he is facing a woman. Zoro is up there fighting against two Yonkos and meanwhile sanji gets trapped by black Maria. Like what the fuck, not even in war against two Yonkos he can forget his stupid way of thinking

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u/strawhatscreuw Feb 13 '21

What does Zoro have to do with this . Like i get that you unhappy with Sanji but why involve Zoro.

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u/vichomatias Feb 13 '21

Yeah, meanwhile Zoro was almost solely responsible for the deaths of everyone back at Punk Hazard. These characters are flawed, that makes them awesome. Move on.

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u/obiwanjabroni74 Feb 13 '21

Not to say I don't understand, but I'd be careful saying it's a stupid way of thinking, that can come off quite misogynistic if you ask me lol.

BUT Oda does this for a reason. And honestly it looks as though this is him pointing out the glaring problem that Sanji has. He's a man with incredible principal towards women and that is his own conscious choice that he lives by. To not expect it is on you as a reader, however to want more from him in terms of "get your shit together Sanji" is very warranted and I completely understand that, for, I do as well.

Throughout the New World, Oda has made it a point in pretty much every arc that he has to get over this (Nami and Zoro have both said something to him before if I'm not mistaken), and I think he either will or have an incredible amount of guilt once something bad does happen, which is what seems to be looming. I mean, throughout the progression of the New World, his problem has put his crew in danger time and time again (let alone Ennies Lobby with Califa). At some point, I stopped thinking of the gag in Fishman Island as less of a gag, and his true character flaw that he has to overcome at some point. I think some progression is bound to happen given his story through the New World, but who knows. Sanji is bullheaded after all, but I can't see him being able to live with the guilt if someone gets really badly hurt because of his flaw. On the other hand, I think it also shows how much he trusts his crew, ergo what he said that about Robin. Just Like Luffy with how idiotic and reckless he is always putting his crew in danger, he does it because he trusts them.

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u/shaqkage The Revolutionary Army Feb 13 '21

Ay bro, he's not gonna change his ways no matter how hard you bitch about it lmao

I know this is much less relevant, but you could say the same about Zoro being useless with directions(doesn't have to do with fighting I know but still)

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u/isshoburando Feb 13 '21

Enel this, enel that. Remember when people said ivankov was at onigashima due to the laugh implied and sanji's surprised face at the end of a certain chapter? Goda sure is having fun trolling.

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u/WYWHPFit Feb 14 '21

I don't think Oda is trolling. No one could predict that people would think about Enel going to Wano.

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u/januarysdaughter The Revolutionary Army Feb 13 '21

Iva's laugh was the scanlation team's fault. It's not there in the official release.

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u/melania239 Feb 13 '21

Is not Oda trolling, is just the people.

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u/SenorMcNuggets Feb 13 '21

That was less Oda being a troll and more shoddy scanlations mishandling the text of that panel.

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u/ali_essa Feb 13 '21

Two notes on the chapter:

  1. Robin is the girl with the eye

  2. The silhouette person probably a never introduced character " i actually agree with one guy down in the comments forgot his username he have long notes on the character being enel" i think this person is a male "i saw no lipstick on him", he's literally half kinemon's size, do you anyone with that description in wano?, I will say it if no one does, it's vegapunk, we know nothing about the character's origin other than he was a colleague of judge and he was captured by WG, CP0 Is here, they're waiting for the battle to finish, orochi order them to brought Dr. Vegapunk with them to have a deal, they seem desperate at the time i have no idea why and what do you know, the marine knows about kaido and big mom forms an alliance, so the CP 0 pushed WG for Dr. Vegapunk and they agreed, so they came and found their alley was dead, and vegapunk start roaming the castle and reaches the room where the akazaya are waiting for their death, vegapunk maybe admires wano or he have previous engagement with them of some sort.

You can't rule out anything with the mad writer ODA

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u/Ed-D-Musashi Feb 13 '21

I think it's not possible for him to be Vegapunk because Kisaru and Vegapunk's body guard Sentomaru are not at wano

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u/Shiny_Umbreon Marine Feb 13 '21

Sentomaru isn’t his body guard post TS, he’s captain of the science unit in the marines,

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u/ali_essa Feb 13 '21

Anything could change i the last couple of years in one piece, the timeline is compatible for his appearance, at least the return of the CP0 to the chapters is weird, isn't it?, Watching the whole thing without moving?, C'mon man, we're better than this, i bet if that's not him, at least he will make an appearance after wano is opened, the series passed 20 years without showing one of the huge elements of the story so far, yoh wanna tell me after the fall of BM & Kaido he won't come up either? I think this his time

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u/adampolitely Feb 13 '21 edited Feb 14 '21

I think Robin is doing her thing and has clones all around Onigashima gathering intel and stuff. There was a woman who looked like her with CP0 last chapter and another with Sanji and Black Maria this chapter. Possibly even Robin is the person saving the Scabbards right now- the nose looks similar but the hair style doesn't really fit so I'm not sure.

I'm hoping that Robin will figure out the big picture and then use that to help make some plan when things turn south for the Strawhats

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u/GameMusic Feb 14 '21

I love this theory but Oda never lets Robin do anything interesting

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u/HakunaMatata69 The Revolutionary Army Feb 14 '21

My first call was Robin, the ear lobe thing might just be her hair and we know her nose is sharp. The clones theory is brilliant and might make her MVP like Brook in WCI

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u/melania239 Feb 13 '21

I like this, for a Robin fan will be amazing.

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u/mcbustamante19 Feb 13 '21

It's zoros original teacher.

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u/bone_burrito Feb 14 '21

That'd be really cool ngl

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u/Mancidepress Feb 13 '21 edited Feb 13 '21

Honestly, props to Oda. Whoever the final panel turns out to be, he is successfully baiting his fanbase into a huge debate whether its Enel or not.

On one hand, Its so deliberately drawn that way, that I don't think it would be him at all. On the other though....Oda could be pulling a god-tier double bait on every one of us and its actually motherfucking Enel.

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