r/OnePiece Feb 12 '21

Don't forget how everything began. Discussion

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u/ikqaz Feb 12 '21

Ah, so the Poneglyphs and the Void Century are Oda’s reactions to the overall lack of information about pirates. Makes sense!

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u/Cavmanic Feb 12 '21

I just came here to mention such. Seems like this may have been an influence on the nature and themes of history, information, and how it is passed down and kept around in the One Piece world.

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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '21

Piracy is so interesting as a historical subject because it's as old as human sea-faring is. I always thought the inspiration for the void century was the sea peoples a group of viking-like pirates that were a major contributor to the bronze age collapse. I have a suspicion the giants will play a part in the story.

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u/Jakescrafty Feb 12 '21

Interesting theory considering Vikings and Norse have historical relations as well, along with giants having Norse god names, (actually just Loki, which is already a huge indicator)

I like this theory

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u/Zylch_ein Feb 13 '21

Adding this one, elbaf is fable backwards. Since fables include stories for legendary creatures, I think there are epic stories to be told about the giants.

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u/asukaisshu Feb 13 '21

Not really the mythical aspect but the major impact the viking age had over 1800s is if it weren't for their long boats and pillage. Denmark wouldn't be what it is today and France wouldn't have improved structure for their ports all thanks to mix marriages in the royal house, the only history left behind are scarce and mostly "tattletales" but one such major impact is definitely the improvement of medicinal and social structure of Wessex. With pagans amongst their people many civil war happened but as times went on, the black flu and all influenced the nonsensical systems they've been relying on which was mainly "prayers and Christian science" soon evolving with herbology and reliance on making powdered medicine for early stages of common flu. Vikings maybe savages at war but they're smart in a lot of ways and hopefully we see that in OP!!

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u/FLTreesThrowaway Feb 13 '21 edited Feb 13 '21

I know you mean Viking like in apparel and means of destruction(ie pillage and burn), I just wanted to add the Sea Peoples largely came from the Mediterranean, starting in Sicily and worked their way through Mycenae(Greece), Persia, Israel and finally to Egypt.

Edit: Here’s a good video explaining the Bronze Age collapse for anyone interested

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u/dontbanthisoneokay Feb 13 '21

There is some evidence to suggest that "viking" may have been a profession rather than a people at various times in history around Europe and the Mediterranean.

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u/Waifuless_Laifuless Feb 12 '21 edited Feb 13 '21

What if the void centrury isn't being suppressed, but everyone was just having too much fun to record anything but the poneglyphs?

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u/GermanChainsaw Feb 12 '21

gOda tha lawd of foreshadowing

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u/Papabeary89 Feb 13 '21

And thats where it all begins...thank oda for doing onepiece...counting and reading for more chapters

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u/Battle-Santa Feb 13 '21

I’d say Logbooks are closer.

You know, the written accounts of the captains. Sort of hits it a little harder directly on the head

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u/Poncheis Feb 13 '21

There's a lot of relevant information is history that is lost forever because of people doing dumb shit. Like the burning of the Library of Alexandria.

That's the same about Void Century. An important chapter in history being hidden from people by the government.

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u/KamiYama777 Feb 13 '21

Or they were written by aliens, hence the alien picture

This is just O D. A playing 5D chess

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u/ikqaz Feb 13 '21

Technically, we don’t know that the humans aren’t the aliens in the One Piece world.

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u/NOXXIN Feb 13 '21

If he comes back.. Enel would be the alien in OP no?

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u/NefariousSerendipity Prisoner Feb 13 '21

oda really is one of a kind.

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u/Kanus_oq_Seruna Feb 13 '21

I mean, it's not like history can be erased before our very eyes with various methods of manipulation. One Piece is a nice escape, but sometimes, it reminds me of what's really going on in this world.

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u/blacklite911 Feb 13 '21 edited Feb 13 '21

It’s not like it’s a new concept. The old saying is history is written by the victors. And the destroying of libraries attempts to destroy monuments of conquered lands is apart of human history.

Nowadays, it’s more like perception is the key thing to manipulate, if you can get different people to view the same thing in a way that favors what you want, you don’t even have to change the physical instant. Perception is reality

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u/butters_cotch Explorer Feb 12 '21

Pirates getting violently slaughtered by mercenaries, royal fleets, slavers, mutineers, or dying miserable deaths from gangrene, scurvy, syphilis and other diseases

Oda: Guess they were just having fun lol ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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u/AskMahMomma Feb 12 '21

Those were the good old days, just pure and simple fun.

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u/butters_cotch Explorer Feb 12 '21

Not a phone in sight

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u/SageMaskThe6God Lurker Feb 12 '21

I almost spit my coffee out, that was good

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u/yolo-yoshi Feb 12 '21

Now I wanna know what a transponder snail smart phone would look like.

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u/bubba_feet Feb 12 '21

if it's a situation where mollusks are the only ones capable of long distance communication, maybe an octopus or cuttlefish? they can display complex color patterns for camouflage, why not for a display?

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u/yolo-yoshi Feb 12 '21

Man. That’s kinda cool.

I feel like we should do a contest for people to make random designs. Could be sick.

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u/Piccolito Feb 13 '21

ah shit, no diablo imortal then

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u/R-leiva97 Pirate Feb 12 '21

Someone should recommend Sam O'Nella's video "Why it sucked to be a pirate" to Oda

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u/abdallan Feb 12 '21

Lmao im literally watching this video right now

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u/mr-fq2k19 Feb 13 '21

'Sam O'Nella' ah I see what he did there.

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u/Shiplord13 Feb 13 '21

Yeah, Oda's Ideal Pirates seems more like Adventurers then actual Pirates. Like a good chunk of their treasure is gotten either from stealing from other pirates or you know "stealing" it from a group, who wanted to give them more of the useless gold they don't care about.

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u/tiagorpg Feb 13 '21

but outside of that they were having fun, at least more fun than the navi, that is why many became pirates after being attacked

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u/yelsamarani Feb 13 '21

it's not really a function of fun as a function of "want to live without being beaten all the time"

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u/ESL-ASMR Feb 13 '21

They were having some fun then if they ended up with syphilis

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u/genericsn Feb 13 '21

Depends. Pirates as a label encompasses a very, very broad range of groups. Plenty of pirates worked for governments or were essentially roaming, independent merchants working trade routes. One Piece covering all of those could be considered true to the nature of pirates.

Also there were people like this woman, who really should be talked about more. What a life.

And to be fair, pretty much everyone working on the ocean dealt with that stuff. At least pirates generally had insurance, inclusive workforces, and shared wealth amongst themselves. In a way they were having more fun lol.

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u/C3H8Dealer Feb 14 '21

Hey, Black Bart said it was still more fun than being a navy sailor tho, standards for fun were pretty low back then I think

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u/XraynPR Feb 12 '21

Caesar: gets captured by Pirates and mocks them afterwards that he was worth way more than they demanded for his release. Then comes back later to kill them all.

Oda: Is mad at Pirates for not doing proper documentation, so he makes up his own story about them, with Devil Fruits and Reindeers, making him one of the most famous mangaka ever.

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u/VicoJuice Explorer Feb 12 '21

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u/XraynPR Feb 12 '21

Yeah, he was a fun guy. Afaik this was a legend about him, I'm not sure if it was confirmed, but it's a real chad move to tell your kidnappers that they can easily ask for twice the money and then tell them that you will come back for revenge ...

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u/BEATUWITHASTICK Feb 13 '21

Caesar was a BAMF. You could say he had some Gaul. xD

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u/XraynPR Feb 13 '21

What a punic way to say that

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u/BEATUWITHASTICK Feb 13 '21

Are we sicily making puns about the Roman empire? Thats is just hannibal.

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u/Inthewirelain Feb 13 '21

When you go that far back in history, myth is legend. It's amazing given his stature even that we have so much writing about him. When you're reading ancient sources, or even really up to medieval, you kinda have to accept that about half of it is just bollocks, or something that's been passed down through the family, or something a traveling salesman claimed.

Caesar being taken for a bounty given he was also a pretty important military man, well known before he headed up Rome, certainly isn't impossible. But if that's true, the truth is somewhere in the middle - maybe Caesar was cordial and read poetry as he said, but they did just pay the bounty, and put out a reward for their capture. Who knows!

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u/megasean3000 Pirate Feb 12 '21

Oden: Navigators write down the details of their voyages in journals!

Real life navigators: Singing sea shanties with the bois

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u/originalShitass Feb 12 '21

"I guess they were just having fun with their adventures"

They were killing, pillaging and torturing, really, real life pirates were way closer to Blackbeard than Luffy

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u/BigBangZebraMan Feb 12 '21

What's wrong with blackbeard? I'm sure it's fun to be blackbeard too.

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u/originalShitass Feb 12 '21

I am saying that he is evil and most likely the final villain, he killed and pillaged his way to the top and he is also ugly as fuck and alcoholic, just like a real pirate

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u/BigBangZebraMan Feb 12 '21

Ye but it's fun, no?

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u/originalShitass Feb 12 '21

Yeah, kind of, but they died quickly due to, you know, being in a crowded, unsinitized boat for years, If Luffy doesen't kills him, desease will

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u/BigBangZebraMan Feb 12 '21

Fun life> long life

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u/originalShitass Feb 12 '21

Oh trust me, It wasn't fun

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u/KamiYama777 Feb 13 '21

Found Garp's alt account with his anti pirate propaganda

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u/originalShitass Feb 13 '21

Damn, SENGOKU THEY ARE ONTO US

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u/MrBallins Feb 14 '21

Found Achilles's account

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u/Inthewirelain Feb 13 '21

Well the captain often had his own quarters, so Blackbeard himself would still fare better than average.

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u/omyrubbernen Feb 13 '21

I'm surprised at the lack of ugly bastard doujins starring Blackbeard.

Not only does he look the part and have the personality for it, but even his DF is perfect. Disabling other DF powers so he can rape even blatantly overpowered women like Robin, Bonney, and Hancock.

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u/butter_fries Feb 13 '21

Your down bad

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u/originalShitass Feb 13 '21

I never tought of that

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u/Fanatical_Idiot Feb 13 '21

Mostly they were threatening to kill, pillage and torture.

The thing is for the most part, pirates didn't actually need to do any of those things. The crews aboard most military and cargo ships were paid very little, especially relative to their captains, and certainly not enough to be tortured or killed for their cargo.

Pirates for the most part could show up, wave their guns and swords around and walk away with the loot without ever having to do anything, it just wasn't worth it to anyone to fight back-- and the pirates understood that because the exact reason they became pirates is usually because they didn't think the jobs aboard ships was worth it and they were far better compensated by being pirates.

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u/FacelessPoet Feb 12 '21

They can't be too cruel or they'll be forced to actually fight against the ships they want to pillage, so they won't go around killing and torturing to damnation heaven. IRL would actually be closer to the... Huh, there's no good example in the series. Either way, they won't be torturing any people, nor can they just go around killing those who already surrendered, as that would make people want to prefer fighting to surrender, and pirates can't actually afford to fight much. I can't find a good in-series example, but they're definitely no Blackbeard. Except maybe Charles Vane.

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u/MAGCHAVIRA Feb 12 '21

Well there are lot pirates like Blackbeard in One piece

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u/originalShitass Feb 12 '21

I am not only talking in personality, I am talking appearance too, Kaido and Big Mom are way to well maintained to real piracy

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u/pezman Feb 13 '21

kaido looks like a mountain goat

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u/originalShitass Feb 13 '21

He has all of his teeth

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u/Sotler Feb 13 '21

Luffy literally drank milk and restored his tooth and you‘re talking about „too good maintained, they got all the teeth“

MF just drank some milk

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u/Agreeable-Ad8804 Feb 13 '21

You don't say?

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u/electricmastro Feb 13 '21 edited Feb 13 '21

Well I’m sure there can be exceptions even with the understanding of real life pirates attacking and looting ships in the first place, I think that in every other case, Luffy and the others probably fit the terms adventurers/explorers better, seeing as how Luffy emphasizes on adventuring more than looting. I suppose the pirate label makes things far more interesting though, with how those dynamics play with that and the marines and all.

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u/TriforceofSwag Feb 13 '21

I also feel like in the One Piece world if you’re not the navy or a merchant vessel, you may end up branded as a pirate anyway.

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u/electricmastro Feb 13 '21

That probably goes into a guilty before proven innocent territory, but yeah, if pirate truly isn’t the most accurate way to refer to what Luffy and the others are, then adventurer it is.

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u/Aoi_Haru Feb 13 '21

Not everyone. Go check Samuel "Black Sam" Bellamy. He was sort of a Robin Hood. And there were other strange people, too.

My fav one was a pirate (I don't remember the name anymore, sadly) that started his career just because he couldn't bear his wife anymore. All the pirates started by stealing their first boat, he bought it and named it Vendetta. While at sea, his sailors (pirates hired in a pub) noticed he didn't know a thing about navigation and did a mutiny. They encountered the Queen Anne's Revenge (Blackbeard ship) and they were basically captured. After a while he was released and he tried to attack a fort, failing. During his trial he said "cut all my limbs but let me live please" to no avail. His last wish was to not let her wife know the position of his tomb because he was sure she would have crossed the sea just to piss on it. I love him.

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u/MariJoyBoy Feb 12 '21

Everything started with an alien mask

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u/DubraPapi Bounty Hunter Feb 12 '21

To the moons

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u/LedgeEndDairy Feb 12 '21

Yes...haha. Mask. Of course. Ha.

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u/MariJoyBoy Feb 13 '21

Oda, is that you ??

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u/Cjninkartist Feb 12 '21

Makes a lot of sense many names are from real pirates. Still waiting for Blackbeard to light his beard on fire though like the real one did.

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u/FacelessPoet Feb 12 '21

Whitebeard already died the way Blackbeard did.

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u/Boring-Bed-Bug Feb 12 '21

Head vaporized by magma?

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u/FacelessPoet Feb 13 '21

Getting your head lopped off after 20 sword wounds and 5 gunshot wounds seems close enough.

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u/austinbraun30 Feb 13 '21

I mean Oda did create Whitebeard from Teaches first name in real life and just personified a good version of him. I feel whitebeard is what odas pirates are, while blackbeard is what real life pirates are.

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u/BEATUWITHASTICK Feb 13 '21

Sabo jumps out at the last minute of the final fight and just waste the mfer like that.

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u/Ionlycamefor50 Feb 12 '21

Those damn Somali Pirates that kidnapped Oda in his youth left to many good memories. 😄

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u/Fightlife45 Feb 12 '21

I loved reading those old “scriptures” lol.

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u/[deleted] Feb 12 '21

Oda's an alien space pirate, confirmed.

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u/jeffthedunker Feb 13 '21

Early on in the story, there was a lot of interest over the logbooks pirates kept. For example Don Krieg was after Zeff's logbook and was confident he'd be able to navigate the grand line if he just had the journal entries.

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u/Interesting_Choice68 Feb 12 '21

What’s the story on the alien head?

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u/Boring-Bed-Bug Feb 12 '21

That is just Odas' friend X̠͝a͙̦̤̲͕̘ͅs̱q̦̖̮̹̟̼o̶̥͉̫͚

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u/Korfusan Feb 12 '21

General history of pyrates is good

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u/Artogis87 Feb 12 '21

Is that Jiren?

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u/trippypantsforlife Feb 13 '21

Naa fuck jiren

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u/Ok-Condition637 Feb 13 '21

My friends thought that this was Howard the alien

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u/ddrt Feb 13 '21

I thought this was HST for a second.

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u/sbeven04 Feb 13 '21

What is the picture

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u/mousio Feb 13 '21

The first "mangaka's rant" that comes with every volume, Like SBS.

If you're asking who it is, it's probably oda himeself, wearing an alien mask

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u/sbeven04 Feb 13 '21

I was wondering if the alien mask had anything to do with the paragraph

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u/Kariya_shigatoki Feb 13 '21

This guy seems cool he should make a manga

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u/Shiplord13 Feb 13 '21

I honestly think that Oda's ideal pirates are more like adventurers then realistic pirates.

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u/ssaia_privni Feb 13 '21

'And that's why I'll put Eminem and Valentino Rossi in the story let's gooooooo'

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u/Steven_7u7 Feb 12 '21

Everything began with a alien.

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u/ilikenglish Feb 13 '21

“Chapter 1: Romance Dawn”

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u/MiroAllAround Feb 13 '21

They were all on a laugh tale

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u/gefjunhel Feb 13 '21

really quite surprising since the wokou are some of the most well known pirates and operated in and around japan/korea

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u/januarysdaughter The Revolutionary Army Feb 13 '21

Ha! I love it. Makes a lot of sense that Luffy would be focused on the fun adventure. :)

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u/hectorkami Feb 13 '21

The Alien is actually shaking hands with Oda.

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u/bluegerryy Explorer Feb 13 '21

Wait Oda is an ALIEN???

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u/HermesJRowen Feb 13 '21

He's being cheeky, for God's sake. Why is every other comment in here like "oh, Oda is romanticizing murder and rape".

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u/Fallsyooo Feb 13 '21

As I said before Oda genius is frightening!

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u/Shiplord13 Feb 13 '21

Random Pirate: Hey Captain Calico Jack, do you want to keep a diary about your life as a Pirate.

Calico Jack: No, me, Anne Bonny and Mary Read are going to just hang out in my cabin. So bye...

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u/WingZero2020 Feb 13 '21

One Piece is JoyBoy/Roger's/Ussop's/etc. log books confirmed?

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u/TheRealMouseRat Feb 13 '21

Osprey publishing has some good books on the Golden age of piracy. (Caribbean pirates, blackbeard, etc)

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u/dabittendounut Cipher Pol Feb 13 '21

Did this actually appear in the first offical release or was it something added later after the series got more popular?

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u/DarkLordNugget Feb 13 '21

It was on Volumen 1's Author Notes, so in the beginning.

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u/FacelessPoet Feb 12 '21

I'm still waiting for a character who actually operates like a real pirate.

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u/5thYonko Feb 12 '21

blackbeard?

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u/FacelessPoet Feb 13 '21

Blackbeard feels too bloodthirsty to actually manage to operate in the real world for more than a couple of weeks. He always initiates a fight against those he wants to plunder, which is basically a surefire way for a pirate to never see success in the high seas.

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u/huskerfan2001 Feb 13 '21 edited Feb 13 '21

Bruh he sailed under another pirates flag for decades and only started seizing power when he knew he had the strength to do it.

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u/quizh Feb 13 '21

If you want a close representation of piracy I recommend Black Sails. Awesome TV show.

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u/tiagorpg Feb 13 '21

belammy the first time he showed up

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u/Drake-Draconic Feb 12 '21

Yeah, the history of those pirates are indeed epic. Though, most of them are bad since they pillage and stuffs. But just read Blackbeard history or Henry Avery. It will keep you awake all night with countless of ideas flooding in your head

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u/DeezNuts647484 Feb 12 '21

I wanted Oda to make a privateer or pirate based on Miguel Henriquez, the best my country had. Im happy he took inspiration with Don Quixote

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u/itsanandhere Feb 12 '21

I guess they did not have someone like Robin in their crew.

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u/lolaimbot Feb 13 '21

Yea I guess they didn’t need anyone to read poneglyphs they stole from yonkou to find a treasure

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u/kagenohikari Feb 13 '21

I think it's better that we don't associate real life pirates to One Piece pirates. Japan has a tendency to romanize murder and wars.