r/OnePiece Jan 30 '21

One Piece: Chapter 1002 - Theories and Discussion Discussion

Chapter 1002

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u/Freshairkaboom Feb 01 '21

Did anyone notice that Kaido said "It seems you're not just mindless fools relying on guts to win." And then later, after Luffy tanked Kaido's boro breath, he asks why didn't it work on Luffy, and Luffy responds with "guts".

If that's not a huge FU to Kaido, idk what is.

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u/Mahquiqui42089 Jan 31 '21

Okay.

So with BM’s new lightning attacks, and the connection it has with East Blue and Enel. I’m reflecting on the nature of Luffy’s devil fruit. If BM has this insta-hit lightning attack, then I can def. see Luffy awakening his devil fruit, and like the other paramecia DF’s he turns the battle ground rubber. Nullifying her attacks and turning the tides at a pivotal moment.

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u/Freshairkaboom Feb 01 '21

But anyone hit by the lightning that aren't rubber are still going to take damage no? I'm more seeing Luffy getting Gear 5th in Wano, and awakening vs Blackbeard to nullify his Gura Gura no Mi.

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u/Mahquiqui42089 Feb 01 '21

Ooooohhhh that would be sick! I figured just like rubber on tools and soles of your shoe helps grounding so the current that does damage just passes through. If he was able to turn the entire field into a grounding mechanism it would benefit the supernovas. I’d love a gear 5 though! Awakened Gomu vs. Gura is dank

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u/GriffleMonster Jan 31 '21

Fuuuuuuuu*k me. Reading this thread is so depressing, this was a fantastic chapter where everyone had their moment and shone and every single fecking character deserves hype and awe. Stop. Making. Everything. An. Argument!!!

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u/Die4Gesichter The Revolutionary Army Jan 31 '21

That Kong Gatling has to do some serious damage

Maybe Kaidou's had enough after that and goes into human form again or even hybrid

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u/Jagman3 Feb 04 '21

Totally we haven't seen it yet and that's how most Zoan users fight.

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u/Xx_Edge_xX Jan 31 '21

This may get me a bit of hate but hot take: Luffy vs Kaido was more accurate in the anime.

Think about it tho, Luffy took some hits from Kaido before he went to his human form for the "one shot" but Luffy was already weakened by that point. Even if Luffy could dodge the brunt of Kaido's thunder bagura in chapter 1001 no way he's walking it off as well as he does especially in his base form which is much weaker defensively than gear 4th which he got one shot in. Thunder bagura not being a true one shot in the first place makes the moment where Luffy does get hit by thunder bagura again on the roof much more realistic. Moreover, we see a lot of Luffy's attacks in gear third and fourth knock Kaido back even in his human form. When you consider Kaido screamed in pain when Law dropped rocks on him in the previous chapter and the fact Kidd is doing anything at all this fight tells me the power gap between Luffy and Kaido was big but not as exaggerated as the manga portrayed.

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u/LordCommanderSnowman Feb 01 '21

A knock out is very dependent on how and where you are hit, a slight change in angle or location and all you get is smacked around. Kaido in the first encounter is attacking a Luffy who thinks his friends may be seriously injured and he takes him by surprise with his speed. Kaido in this current fight is going against a Luffy who’s seen what he can do, has trained up, and is fighting without the emotional shock of seeing his weaker crew members blasted off a mountain top.

Additionally, how could an interpretation be more accurate than than the author who is creating the story? Maybe more believable to you specifically, but that’s hardly a strong stance to argue from.

That being said, the anime is doing a great job of extending the action for entertainment value with a few (Batman) exceptions.

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u/Xx_Edge_xX Feb 01 '21

My gripe with the second time luffy gets hit isn't that he wasn't knocked out rather the fact he walked it off so easily. Like there's no indication that by this point in the fight he even got hit by thunder bagura and I think thats unrealistic considering the strength of the attack as depicted in the manga. I'm fine with Luffy taking the hit I'm not fine with how little impact it had.

I cant really argue the anime is more accurate but maybe more realistic is the word. Like I said between the damage Kaido is taking now and the attacks he's delivered its hard to believe he's of the same power between Luffy's first and second fight with him if we use the manga as a reference. The anime makes the difference in power between the supernovas and Kaido more realistic because there's no way Kidd's attacks or Law dropping rocks on Kaido would do damage when Luffy's attacks did nothing the first fight.

Idk what they were thinking with batman smh

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u/bajelah Jan 31 '21

Third act will finish with a win for Kaido. Luffy had lost two times against crocodile before being able to beat him. Crocodile was the first win against a shichibukai. Kaido will be the first yonko to beat but at the fourth act.

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u/-Manu_ Jan 31 '21

Yes but crocodile wasn't lifting up an entire island with the intent of dropping it on Alabasta killing thousands of civilians

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u/Cake-Liar Feb 01 '21

Wasn't there the whole bomb thing?

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u/eisengard08 Jan 31 '21

I don’t think anyone had mentioned this before but that little white boar back in chapter 960(mountain god incident) current anime will be a factor later in the fight. Same thing with the serpent back in skypeia where the next generation was part of the new generation to change culture.

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u/KingTheWildFire194 Jan 31 '21

I hope Kaidou will show admission haki like Yamato's Ringing Arrow but wayy stronger (tbh we don't know if it's Haki or just a simple air slash, but considering that Yamato's hand was blackened, i assume it's haki)

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u/MyNameISaColouR Jan 31 '21

I believe that it's a simple air pressure attack, but that is infused with Haki. Kinda like Zoro's flying slashes that could still cut Monet in Punk Hazard.

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u/Bandeeznutz Jan 31 '21

Anyone thinks it’s possible that Sanji is invisible rn helping every score decisive blows on Kaido?

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u/WYWHPFit Jan 31 '21

Sanji is having a bdsm orgy right now. Leave him alone

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u/fredericktannz Cipher Pol Jan 31 '21

He probably pushed Zoro so he'd miss. :D

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u/No_Pumpkin7148 Jan 31 '21 edited Jan 31 '21

invicibilty r useless if oppnt can use advance observation haki which I think kaido and BM know. It seems bigmom have better observation haki though than kaido which he sense it right away enma capability like katakuri. and sanji haki is weak. vergo haki is way better than him when they fought in punk hazard. kaido and bigmom will just tank sanji atk without any damage. Sanji even cant land a good hit too donflamingo. lols

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u/silfer_ Jan 31 '21

Friendly reminder that Laws rocks in 1001 made base Kaido scream in pain just like Kids suplex in 1002 made dragon Kaido scream in pain.

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u/Xx_Edge_xX Jan 31 '21

And I hate that both occur but it's the direction the fight is going so oh well.

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u/cheseburguer Jan 31 '21

kaido and big mom aren't fighting serious, they're just playing with them

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u/No_Pumpkin7148 Jan 31 '21 edited Jan 31 '21

True like how scabbards injured kaido then offscreen they r all defeated. That will happen too for sure to SN. But like rayleigh told luffy the more u battle with stronger haki then the more u will become stronger. FTM that what lacks SN fighting a caliber advance haki of yonko's. but after this arc. Then for sure the they will become strong. So dont expect in just a short span of time they can defeat yonkos who have decades of battling stronger advance haki even clashing sengokou garp marine era and legendary pirates crew of roger whitebeard etc.

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u/Jagman3 Feb 04 '21

I think they are both Kaido and BM are just waiting for the other to show any weaknesses that they can exploit. Remember what happened to Orochi, he was set up to be a crazy strong a opponent for someone like Zoro or Sanji but...

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u/silfer_ Jan 31 '21

It's crazy how much has already happened in this fight but also not much. I really want another 15-20 straight chapters of this fight. I bet Oda will cut away at some point, though.

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u/TravelingLlama Jan 31 '21

Seeing as how Zoro names some of his attacks after food I won’t be surprised if he comes up with one named after oden

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u/SeBAGeNetiC Jan 31 '21

Which ones are food? I can only think of 'Oni giri' and that's not the food

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u/TravelingLlama Feb 02 '21

Oni giri being a pun for onigiri which is rice. While his dragon twister tatsumaki is a type of sushi

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u/Leon223423 Jan 31 '21

You cannot achieve anything unless you inherit Oden’s will?

Oden himself said that the new generation members will take Kaido down.

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u/ConsistentIncrease67 Jan 31 '21 edited Jan 31 '21

Exactly, proves that they aren't worth shit without Oden's prophecy and approval. Their goals don't matter, Oden chose them and that's why they'll take down Kaido!

Edit: I'm not being sarcastic btw, I think this is terrible writing on Oda's part

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u/Traffy7 Jan 31 '21

That is bullshit and make no sense .

Oden didn't choose them , the same Roger didn't choose them .

The 2 of them knew thanks to Shaki about Luffy .

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u/WYWHPFit Jan 31 '21

We know nothing about this prophecy. Oden didn't choose them, something he discovered diring his journey made him think that a new generation of pirates would defeat Kaido if he was to fail. So I would wait to know what he actually found at Laugh Tale

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u/No_Pumpkin7148 Jan 31 '21

I predict Tama and Momo will gonna be a great factor making Kaido fall this wano arc. The voice of all things will be reveal to BM and Kaido. Sending Sea Dragons to interrupt fight to a badly defeated SN vs laughing BM mamamam and Kaido wararraau🤣😂. Then Blackbeared will appear taking robin and momo since BB have a spy in wano. maybe also stealing kaidos poneglyph. BB will reveal also that he is somehow related too Xebec which Kaido and BM will not bother anymore to clash vs BB and maybe revive and form a new rocks pirates alliance. which will shake the WG and celestial dragons Imu Marine in Marijoise. They will left wano in bad state. Somehow SWORD secret marine group formed by sengokou and Garp will help wano maybe kuzan be there betraying BB since he is a spy too and a member of swords.

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u/ReggieZoldyk21 Pirate Jan 31 '21

“We want Kidd to do something!”

Kidd does something

“No not like that!!”

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u/Xx_Edge_xX Jan 31 '21

Pretty accurate lol. It's just hard to believe punching Kaido hard or slamming him into the ground does anything. Kinda feels like Luffy should've done some damage before he learned ryou.

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u/-Manu_ Jan 31 '21

He did "all that for a drop of blood"

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u/Nguyen925 Jan 31 '21

Everyone who got hit by lightning was fazed. I doubt he's 100% done.

It's probably Oda's way of helping with the overcrowding of characters right meow.

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u/ConsistentIncrease67 Jan 31 '21 edited Jan 31 '21

Isn't it great to have the main characters' agencies and achievements all appropriated by Oden. Their own goals are not enough, their powers are not legitimate unless it's validated by you know who.

I predict that Zoro and Luffy will be the only ones left standing for the final blow, not because of any powerlevel arguments, but simply because they're the only ones chosen by Oden's spirit. And we all know you can't achieve anything unless you've inherited Oden's will.

You're mistaken if you think this is a Yonko vs Supernova fight - this is simply Oden getting his revenge by channeling himself through his vessels. You like Oden yet, guys?

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u/Traffy7 Jan 31 '21

What haven you been reading inherating is one of OP key theme .

Like we know Luffy inheroted Roger will and that is the same for lo of character in OP .

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u/mezonsen Jan 31 '21

I’m pretty certain Kaido is going to successfully drop Onigashima on the Flower Capital, harming a lot of innocent people in a shocking subversion of Oda’s usual “ticking time bomb” climaxes. That’ll be the end to act 3 everyone’s waiting for. In the resolution the decision will be made by Momo to rebuild the Flower Capital in Kuri in honor of Oden.

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u/Hidoraa Pirate Jan 31 '21

Just imagine while kaido drops onigashima down to wano country the island bounces of into the air and luffy awakens his fruit(its just my own imagination but i would find it funny) and i do wonder when we are going to see the awakening

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u/mezonsen Jan 31 '21

A giant rubber island would still crush the city below. Just might hit it multiple times by bouncing up and down.

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u/Hidoraa Pirate Jan 31 '21

Oh i might have forgotten to mention that i meant both islands :) because yea you pointed the problem out if only one would be rubber

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u/BebopAddict2009 Jan 31 '21

Can anyone confirm this is the first time we see headband Zoro post time skip? That would heighten the stakes if this is true. I read a theory recently that I don't have the source for.

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u/alicitizen Jan 31 '21

Wore it as early as Fishman Island.

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u/GlacialLot Jan 31 '21

No he had it in Dressrosa

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u/BebopAddict2009 Jan 31 '21

I was just reading one of the Dressroa volumes when you replied, I found it. You're right.

Still, he hasn't worn it much recently. I'm honestly nervous on how this fight might end between Yonkos and Strawhats. I can't decide if Oda is going to show just how Titanic the duo is, or will the straw hats actually pull through the first time? Especially with Kid, Killer and Law.

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u/WYWHPFit Jan 31 '21

Zoro also hasn't had a good fight since Dressrosa since he wasn't in WCI.

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u/lordgwas Jan 31 '21
  1. Shanks must've stolen the rubber fruit from pirates to defeat Big Mom.

  2. Shanks stole the rubber fruit from Big Mom herself and that's why she's so surprised. It would be a funny gag that the yonko with the most security has their items stolen repeatedly.

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u/WYWHPFit Jan 31 '21

Big mom doesn't rely solely on Zeus tho. When Nami kidnapped him she was still terrifying.

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u/Hidoraa Pirate Jan 31 '21

I know what you mean with shanks stealing it but was it not lucky rou? I just want to know if i remember correctly or wrong

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u/lordgwas Feb 01 '21

Yeah, it was lucky rou.

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u/TheDudemansweet Pirate Jan 31 '21

Luffy seems to be winning then gear 4th runs dry.... act 3 ends

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u/piece3 Jan 31 '21

Dont think gear 4th drains him as much anymore

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u/HSCya Jan 31 '21

Why do the people who like Wano get so defensive and angry over some criticism?
I've only seen meaningful arguments about why Oda has dropped the ball with Wano, yet from the people who supposedly like it I've only read "they're shitposters don't listen to them", as if that's supposed to negate all arguments and statements.
Really really sad the state these threads are in that you can't have proper discussion about the series because one side is incapable of defending their position.

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u/WYWHPFit Jan 31 '21

I feel like reading weekly gives off a different vibe than reading the manga and some events or writing will look better in the bigger picture. Dressrosa was like that for me.

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u/Redd_Hood Jan 31 '21

Depends on what you're calling "criticism" because most of the time it's actually just complaining & bitching.

Most people don't know the first thing about storytelling in the first place so seeing people say "Oda dropped the ball with Wano" doesn't really have any weight.

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u/giangerd Jan 31 '21

I am against people getting angry over criticism we can't all like the same thing, I totally get you

But let me give you the other side of the story from my experiences

Let me start with honesty. I personally happen to absolutely adore One Piece from chapter 1 to 1002. That does not mean it is perfect, in my eyes it is, but nothing is perfect and of course there are things in the show that I liked more that others.

From my point of view, every ongoing arc gets uneccecary hate when it is ongoing especially from people who just caught up after marathoning everything else and then after a decade people consider them classics and peak One Piece. I have seen it tones of times over the years for every single arc, people nitpicking every single panel or quote that doesn't fit their headcanon. Or the worst of all people making assumptions based on what happened in a chapter and then swallowing their tongues when the whole arc is completed and everything makes sense. The list goes on.

My point is, while there is fair criticism that gets ignored by fanboys at the same time there is unfair criticism and hate

I personally don't take any of the "criticism" seriously any more, if there is something that I personally don't like is what matters because I read One Piece for my personal enjoyment!

Again people should be more civil and discuss even with people they disagree, I am with you on that, even though Wano is an absolute banger in my book I am having tones of fun

Holy shit I am on roll, this is a lengthy one lol

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u/WYWHPFit Jan 31 '21

Totally agree.

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u/Cognitive_Mess Jan 31 '21

I am enjoying Wano personally, but this sub has a huge problem with any criticism of the series. Hence the "Goda" meme or whatever. I love One Piece and it's one of my favorite manga, but it's far from perfect. Yet some people can't accept that for whatever reason.

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u/Redd_Hood Jan 31 '21

Thats not actually true. Thats just a narrative some people have in their heads.

No one has a problem with criticism is just that most people in this sub have no idea how to actually critique something and are bad at criticism.

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u/Cognitive_Mess Jan 31 '21

I think your experience with this sub is different than mine, and others, then. I have come to that opinion through observation as opposed to interaction via posting my own criticisms.

Not quite sure what to say to this.

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u/OGMannimal Jan 31 '21

Personally I don’t see any issue with wano, but I agree with the sentiment. The “Goda” narrative has really been taken too far - what was once a joke is now a means to shutdown any serious criticism of One Piece. This is probably a symptom of the subreddit being quite young on average.

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u/ConsistentIncrease67 Jan 31 '21

well, I imagine most people who care about the quality of the writing have dropped the series by now. a kind of natural selection of fanboys, if you will. so what you are left with is an echo chamber.

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u/ddrysoup Jan 31 '21

The more I see how strong kaido and big mom are, the less I believe a sea king was able to rip shanks arm off.

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u/giangerd Feb 01 '21

Shanks was faaar from Yonko when that happened, we recently found out he is Yonko for 6 years and that incident happened 12 years ago. Still a bummer but at least he was not a top level pirate back then as Kaido and BM are now

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u/Xx_Edge_xX Jan 31 '21

Its also pretty weird that the bandit who took Luffy in the first place escaped shanks with a smoke bomb.

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u/Soyousain Jan 31 '21

Unless Shanks does have a DF. What if we find out Yonkos have trained to the level of being able to swim but severely weaken them. We have already see Luffy an Kid use (lets say 20%) of there sregnth with seastone. When at one point they barely walk with them on.

My theory. If your a master of haki an mastered ur DF. You are able to withstand some of the negatives affect the sea has on DF users. Again at the expense of being nerfed to hell. So if not careful can get wounded even by a baby seaking.

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u/rabadubdubkthnxbye Jan 31 '21

Just to clarify, Luffy and Kidd were shackled with Handcuffs that were not full powered seastone. Their power was weakened so that the prisoners could still put in work.

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u/Soyousain Jan 31 '21

My 3 top ending Theorys.

1.The one piece has something to do with Reverse mountain. In the starting credits of anime. In the East Blue saga. They always show reverse mountain an it has a huge x thru it like a treasure map showing x marks the spot.

  1. A Haki master with a DF can endure negative affects of the sea thru training. Weaking them while in the sea but still being able to move an fight even if there power is nerfed to hell!

  2. Xebec is Shanks Father. Im Sama is Buggys Mother.

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u/NZPengo2 Jan 31 '21

There was an interview where Oda said it was his editors idea for shanks to lose his arm, to raise the stakes of this initial arc.

Maybe someone can find the interview I'm talking about

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u/Redd_Hood Jan 31 '21

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u/NZPengo2 Jan 31 '21

I think this may have been what I was referencing. Thanks :)

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u/obernal7 Jan 31 '21

This always bothered me he could've gotten away easily

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u/piece3 Jan 31 '21

Shanks ALLOWED the sea king to take his arm

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u/electro-pineapple Jan 31 '21

It was the whole point though. Shanks could have kept both arms had he fought the sea king but instead he saw potential in luffy and chose to do everything he could to save him. In his conversation with whitebeard he stated he gambled his arm on the next generation.

It like why the scabbards where able to land so many hits on kaido. He could have easily dodged them and we saw just how effortlessly he demolished them but kaido wanted a glorious death so he gambled on the scabbards killing him but he lost

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u/ddrysoup Jan 31 '21

Yeah but your telling me white beard and kaido can literally tank cannon fire, bullets, sword stabs, lava, etc... But shanks isn't able to defeat a sea king(which at this point are nothing but fodder) and save Luffy without recieving a life altering injury

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u/electro-pineapple Jan 31 '21

They r not exactly weak. In Amazon lily the sea king could have torn the marines ship apart with almost no effort had momonga not stepped in and shanks has not been shown to have the level of durability like kaido or big mom have where bullets and blades bounce off him. In fact his 3 scars further testify this as well as his comment to whitebeard which suggests he has even more scars. In marineford, blades and bullets where working on whitebeard but he was just tanking them and pushing forward. I reckon shanks would still be affected by blades and bullets but he can just ignore the pain like whitebeard

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u/LaxusScar Feb 03 '21

Honestly, I just like to imagine Shanks being a every day joe like us but he’s just a major badass. No DF, no extreme durability etc etc just a normal guy who trained himself extremely well and reach absolutely human peak (without a DF once again) I’d be perfectly okay with that tbh. Shanks isn’t supposed to be this absolutely god like WB,BM and kaido I feel. He’s just incredibly decorated with pirate feats. Like if I’m not mistaken being the strongest swords man for quiet a time span. Till Mihawk finally beat him or something of that nature. Etc etc.

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u/hdwil6fj Jan 31 '21

Oda will cut away from the fight on top.

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u/garden_veggie_chips Feb 04 '21

That’s what I was thinking. Some kind of flashback.

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u/Cognitive_Mess Jan 31 '21

Calling it now, Law is the mvp of the fight no matter how it goes.

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u/eisengard08 Jan 31 '21

Might be Tama though with the mountain god boar 👀.

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u/Cognitive_Mess Jan 31 '21

I forgot about the mountain god boar, it coming back would definitely be interesting!

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u/eisengard08 Jan 31 '21

Only reminds me because I just watch episode 960. I remember back in skypeia the serpent that ate luffy was the little serpent after roger left. With the way Oda operates with continuity I could see it coming back

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u/Cognitive_Mess Jan 31 '21

It was? Interesting, I don't remember it. I'll have to re-read Skypeia some time.

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u/eisengard08 Jan 31 '21

Maybe it was Noland but I know I remember the serpent being little and the tradition to offer somebody to the serpent until luffy arrived and change that. You’ll know what Im talking about if you reread it

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u/WYWHPFit Jan 31 '21

It was Noland.

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u/Cognitive_Mess Jan 31 '21

Wow. How can people be both over-hyping and downplaying Zoro to such a degree this chapter. There's no way Zoro would have one-shot Kaido, I don't understand how anyone can think that would have happened. His attack definitely would have injured Kaido, otherwise Big Mom of all people wouldn't have warned him (not to mention it was the only attack she told him to avoid), but come one people. The downplaying is even more ridiculous though. If Zoro wasn't strong enough, Enma would have killed him the first time he tried to use it. Do people not remember what happened to his arm? The mechanics of the sword clearly rely on the current user's haki to do damage.

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u/giangerd Feb 01 '21

I don't care about people that read with their eyes closed so much anymore

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u/theundisputed11 Jan 31 '21

I get downvoted for saying this, they be like "stop creating headcanons, Oden's HaKi iS StoRed in EnMa"

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u/Cognitive_Mess Jan 31 '21

Those people are just being willfully ignorant.

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u/BlueDreamandBeans Jan 31 '21

I think my fav character Trafalgar D. Water Law will finally showcase some new moves. We know very little about his DF capability and if he's starting out with a gamma knife...jesus

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u/matrixvivi Jan 31 '21

His DF versatility is beyond any of the supernovas imo. Literally a wild card

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u/MidnightMelk Jan 31 '21

Law’s moveset went from “throw rock” to “ultra energy knife”

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u/tonyshazam Bounty Hunter Jan 30 '21 edited Jan 31 '21

I’m pretty sure Kaido is gonna compliment Luffy’s Ryou haki and then proceed to use his own Ryou haki that will be 100x stronger than Luffy’s. It only makes sense for Kaido to have the same Haki that could damage him so he could protect himself in this situation

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u/Kenny_Brahms Jan 31 '21

Kaido has:

  • natural durability that allows him to be immune from most forms of damage
  • natural strength so strong he was able to 1 shot Luffy
  • natural speed so fast he could bypass Luffy's future sight
  • a top tier mythical zoan that is as big as a kaiju, can use elemental breath attacks, and can create clouds that can literally make islands float

Making him a top tier haki user would make him unbeatable. At that point, Kaido would be so strong that it wouldn't even make sense to fight him.

I think his awakened mythical zoan gives him so much stamina that he doesn't care about taking damage.

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u/dickosenpai Lurker Jan 31 '21

I strongly believe that kaido won’t have any kind of haki except maybe conquerors haki. It would just make him so much stronger if he just rely on his brut strength and his DF.

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u/KingBubzVI Jan 31 '21

Bro Boo has haki.

Kaido definitely has haki, otherwise all you would need to beat him is a logia.

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u/yeezusmama Jan 31 '21

kaido definitely uses haki man its the new world

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u/WaitingForTheDog Jan 30 '21

It's seeming like Big Mom is just going to leave after Kaido falls. She's essentially ranged support and isn't being targeted to any significant degree.

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u/HakunaMatata69 The Revolutionary Army Jan 31 '21

She has insane physical prowess and her fruit is yet to be explored. I think both of them have to go down for us to move to the final saga

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u/WaitingForTheDog Jan 31 '21

Sure, but it doesn't look like she'll go down here just based on how the battle has gone so far. Luffy did declare to Katakuri that he'd come back to Big Mom's territory to fight her. I'm sure the subreddit would want that to be a one-on-one but I'd be satisfied regardless.

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u/dickosenpai Lurker Jan 31 '21

She is probably going to file a complaint against new generation for being sexist and not fighting her equally.

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u/Hoodlum95 Cipher Pol Jan 30 '21

After seeing how powerful Zoro attack was, it got be believing Enma gives the user that attack strength of Oden, hence why big mom say there something off about the sword and Kadio even felted Oden's aura, But to tap into that power Zoro burned himself out.

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u/theundisputed11 Jan 31 '21

It uses the weilder's own ryou, there's nothing of Oden in it. Kaido mentioned Oden because the Sword's presence reminded him of Oden considering Oden was using the same sword against him. There's no Oden Haki in it.

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u/theundisputed11 Jan 31 '21

It uses the weilder's own ryou, there's nothing of Oden in it. Kaido mentioned Oden because the Sword's presence reminded him of Oden considering Oden was using the same sword against him. There's no Oden Haki in it

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u/Nguyen925 Jan 31 '21

Granted Enma doesn't take all of the users Ryou out of you before you can actually use it. Insane how strong Oden was and his downfall was his only weakness his family.

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u/diorthan Jan 31 '21

i was thinking given that enma is using the users ryou, with zoro, he might now be limited to a few attacks, or at some point he will be drained

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u/Bluelore Jan 30 '21

One thing I really liked in this chapter is that Law really didn't hold back. The limits of his devil fruit feel sometimes a bit fishy and thus I often have the impression that he doesn't use it to its fullest extend, but in this chapter law used a small pebble to teleport right in front of Kaidos chest and hit him with a gamma knife to the heart (or at least he thinks that is where his heart is), which honestly feels like the most effective move he could have pulled.

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u/LittleGardenSeedCo Pirate Jan 31 '21

uhmmmm.... cant he dissect anything in his room, thus swap kaido's head with a rock? He could also soul swap big mom and Kaido, so I definitely dont think he used his fruit to the max

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u/Bluelore Jan 31 '21

Vergo tried to protect himself from Laws powers by coating himself in Haki, so I'm fairly sure that Law can't cut anything with his devil fruit that he can't cut normally. Kaidos armor is likely too hard for Law to cut, so he can't chop off Kaidos head.

Same likely applies to Big Mom.

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u/LittleGardenSeedCo Pirate Jan 31 '21

He cut vergo at full haki though?

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u/Bluelore Jan 31 '21

Yeah because he was strong enough to cut him.

But the sole fact, that Vergo was sure he could block Law this way, means that it should be possible in theory, Vergo was just not strong enough to pull it off.

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u/silfer_ Jan 31 '21

I'm starting to think Law might've missed the heart and we might see gamma knife 2.0. I also wonder if countershock could be effective in combination with other novas, having some momentary seizure-paralysis effect on Kaido's body.

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u/mas_freed Jan 31 '21

I wonder if the gamma knife is long enough to reach kaido internal organ.

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u/Lethanvas Jan 31 '21

That and targeting the brain. Turning it into mulch would be more efficient

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u/Bluelore Jan 31 '21

True, but I can understand that the head would have been a more risky target to attack.

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u/akunose Jan 30 '21

I'm gonna be frank I'm gonna be really "disappointed" when Law the guy named after 2 Coalition battles doesn't get to defeat/neutralize Napoleon. Don't let me down, Oda!

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u/silfer_ Jan 31 '21 edited Jan 31 '21

Radio Knife anybody??

Personality switch seems like it could potentially come in clutch, too, since part of the souls are in homies. Like swap Zeus/Prometheus and Napoleon. The possibilities for Law in this fight are endless. I really hope Oda doesn't neglect them.

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u/swizzle75 Jan 30 '21

Who's Napoleon in op?

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u/MagiciansBlue Jan 30 '21

Big Mom's sword.

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u/Emperor_Luffy Jan 30 '21

Give it some time. Even if this doesn't happen in this battle theres plenty of chances for it to happen later.

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u/akunose Jan 30 '21

Given how long the arc has been already and that the rooftop battle has barely started, I'm very much prepared to be patient! Even if it doesn't happen, Oda probably delivers in some other form that sends me over the moon lol

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u/rr18114 Jan 30 '21

off topic of sorts (from the 5v2 fight).

But any of u folks think Robin gets kidnapped by Big mom or her crew (perospero and co) after or at the end of the fight ?

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u/SpiderRonald Jan 31 '21

Maybe not robin, but I could see Tama or Momo getting kidnapped

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u/rr18114 Jan 31 '21

Big mom has no use for tama...and momo is not as valuable as robin.

She specifically needs someone to read the pineglyph since pudding has not been helpful to her in this regard so far.

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u/GoodLifeWorkHard Jan 30 '21

Seems kinda like a repeat , no?

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u/DaoLong Jan 31 '21

Do the words game, map reveal mean anything to you?

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u/Etiennera Jan 30 '21

Yeah but it would setup a chase to BM. She might retreat to a poneglyph in Elbaf for example. After Kaido's defeat, I think the power dynamic would be different from Enies Lobby. It would be Luffys chance to say dont mess with my crew, to an emperor, and rise above in the narrative.

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u/mas_freed Jan 31 '21

I doubt it would happen, oda been building reverie at the same time as wano arc, and it hint tragedy for alabasta kingdom

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u/Etiennera Jan 31 '21

Both can happen at the same time. The Alabasta incident is way more end of story than Big Mom will be.

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u/mas_freed Jan 31 '21

At the same time? Sorry, so luffy go save robin at the same time save alabasta? Is that what you mean?

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u/Etiennera Jan 31 '21

I mean both can take place, full stop. I meant it as a figure of speech but didn't realize it was a poor choice.

The Alabasta conflict will probably involve Imu, ancient weapons, Blackbeard, and all of those things we experience in the finale.

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u/fredericktannz Cipher Pol Jan 30 '21 edited Jan 31 '21

Prediction for 1003: Kaido and Big Mom finally overwhelm the new generation. Last page will show all of them down, while Kaido and Big Mom laugh as Kaido starts to drop Onigashima on the Flower capital. End of Act 3.

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u/piece3 Jan 31 '21

I feel like every chapter since chapter 1000 people have been thinking the next chapter is the “tragedy” that apparently HAS to happen

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u/fredericktannz Cipher Pol Jan 31 '21

That's just two chapters. Lol. Anyway, great if there's no more tragedy in this arc. Great trolling from Oda.

Personally I think it is inevitable for the supernovas to fall down back to earth after three chapters of hyping them up. Luffy certainly cannot fight the two yonkos alone now that the other four are down.

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u/patpat1221 Jan 31 '21

Whoaa, agree with this!!!

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u/seyyarsatici Jan 31 '21

Nah, it's very hard for supernovas to be beaten.

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u/fredericktannz Cipher Pol Jan 31 '21

I'm pretty sure the yonkos are also very hard to be beaten. :)

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u/dane123459 Jan 31 '21

Yh I see this fight going badly for the supernovas

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u/fredericktannz Cipher Pol Jan 31 '21

Yeah. I'm not convinced yet they can win without something drastic happening. oda already gave them their moments. It's time to make them fall, hard, before their eventual "resurrection". :)

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u/dane123459 Jan 31 '21

I see this whole arc ending with them trying to escape wano and somebody doesn’t make it. I think it’s gonna be a tragic arc and they (alliance if pirates,minks etc) don’t make it out in one piece

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u/urielteranas Jan 30 '21

Im not sure about all in one chapter but this does seem like a strong possibility to happen 🤔

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u/fredericktannz Cipher Pol Jan 31 '21

Well then:

Prediction for 1004: Kaido and Big Mom finally overwhelms the new generation. Last page will show all of them down, while Kaido and Big Mom laughs as Kaido starts to drop Onigashima on the Flower capital. End of Act 3.

Haha

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u/LordFlackoUK Jan 30 '21

This would be crazy as fuck

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u/fredericktannz Cipher Pol Jan 31 '21

Yeah.

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u/dentimBandB Jan 30 '21

It's not that I'm not enjoying this fight, but I am really starting to wonder about how the rest of the straw hats are currently doing.

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u/alkair20 Jan 30 '21

dont worry we will see plenty of them. But you cant switch rn aftter such an epic entrance would feel like clifhangin switching to the others right now.

I prefer when action sequences are finished after before a change of scenery instead of changing constantly.

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u/oo-_- Jan 30 '21

Luffy has diamond rubber hands 💎✋

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u/paultiteuf360 Jan 31 '21

He would destroy diamond joz

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u/churbumnono Pirate Jan 30 '21

I LIKE THIS MANGA.

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u/ShitBagHolder Jan 30 '21

DIAMOND FUCKING HANDS. Can’t stop, WONT STOP, GAMESTOP

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u/gazaj Jan 30 '21

GameStop and Bernie is everywhere lol

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u/UniqueDEV Jan 30 '21

GOAT Gen will do even more great stuff.

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u/No_Pumpkin7148 Jan 30 '21 edited Jan 30 '21

Do you think Mihawk or Oden using Enma can break Bird Cage of Don flamingo. even fujuitora couldnt stop it.

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u/DkingRayleigh Jan 30 '21

That bird cage had plot armor. I don't like using it to power scale.

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u/Hgdemon234 Jan 30 '21

? Fujitora made it clear that the government couldn’t be the ones to save dressrosa so he wasn’t trying his hardest to break it. Any of those guys plus zoro right now should be strong enough to break it

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u/DkingRayleigh Jan 31 '21

No, thousands of innocent citizens are in danger during that part. Fuji is a character who felt so strongly about something that he cut out his own eyes just so he didnt have to look at injustice. There's no way he would risk causing injustice himself. If fuji coulda cut a hole in the cage for people to escape he would have. His moniker is "blind justice" after all. Forcing people to stay inside a cage match isn't justice.

His bet was on luffy to defeat doffy because he cannot confront doffy himself. Luffy and doffys fight has very little to do with the cage. Luffy would not run just because the cage was gone, he would just keep fighting. so there's no reason for fuji to leave the cage in place if he didn't have to.

TL:DR fuji was trying his hardest to cut the cage. But that's just my opinion

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u/DaoLong Jan 31 '21

If he felt like that, and it wasn’t just a plot device to let Luffy fight Doffy (why didn’t Sabo fight or even support in the fight then?), wouldn’t he just go a fuck Doffy up?

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u/mas_freed Jan 31 '21

By that logic fuji will stop dofy when dofy did the parasites thingy.

He did not cut bird cage is part his gesture of his bet for luffy.

He hold the line, and have faith in luffy, if he cut the bird cage there are no great visible destruction in dressrossa.

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u/Hgdemon234 Jan 31 '21

If what you say it’s true then the birdcage was terribly written and had heavy plot armor cause an admiral not being able to escape from the birdcage is ridiculous.

The citizens weren’t in any real danger until the cage fully collapsed so I’d like to think that he was just holding out until luffy defeated doffy. We saw everyone else try to attack the cage like zoro but I don’t remember fujitora ever try to actually attack it besides some meteors that were cut

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u/HakunaMatata69 The Revolutionary Army Jan 31 '21

It was terrible plot armour, we should call a spade, a spade. Sometimes Oda does things for inducing some drama, that thing, Sabo and Big Mom's amnesia there are some examples, in such a long manga these things happen

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u/DkingRayleigh Jan 31 '21

Ya that's what i said at first. That cage had plot armor....

Side note, why do you think the citizens werent in danger? Didn't we get like tons of panels of panicing people dodging falling buildings? And getting saved by various characters like mansherry? Just because oda refuses to draw a civilian getting crushed and dying doesn't mean the character knows they have plot armor... the civilians are still scared of death and are running from something that could reasonably kill a normal human. Its against fuji's esablished character to not stop that danger if he could. But the only way to stop the birdcage in the story was to beat doffy which fuji cant do because 7 warlords system.

See heres the thing about the strings, they are made by a devil fruit but they should still be normal strings. This is because In alabasta when zoro cut up mr 1 We called that zoro cutting steel. Not 'devil fruit steel' just normal steel. For the whole story devil fruit elements have just been that element, not a powerd up version. Characters could use their element in a creative way, but kuzan cant make his ice hot. the element still has the normal pros/cons of the element in nature. So its hard change that standard now to say well doffys strings are stronger than normal strings because he made special strings.

We could say, well doffy puts haki in his strings. Ok so then to break them you just need stronger haki than doffy.... so are we really gonna say full power zoro plus full power kinemon plus half power fuji doesn't add up to cut even 1 of doffy's strings? That seems off now that we saw kinemon draw blood from kaido and cut his fire breath. Especially when doffy is applying his haki so far away.

We also saw zoro lowdif full body haki pica with 3 thousand worlds in this arc, so his haki in that arc is more than strong enough to clash with doffy. generally speaking in one piece, if you 1 shot a enemy pirates first commander your probably on the captains level.

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u/Hgdemon234 Jan 31 '21

So you said a lot lol so I might not address everything but end of the day it didn’t look like fuji tried at all. Whether that’s plot armor or whatever multiple people there should’ve been strong enough to destroy the cage had they tried.

Here’s the part I don’t agree with you with, not saying that zoro wasn’t strong enough but we have no clue how zoro would’ve faired against doflamingo and using him lowdiff pica doesn’t really mean anything because pica wasn’t the strongest executive(that was vergo and he got lowdiffed by law)and we saw how for the most part doffy man handled law. If anything doffys executives were all pretty disappointing in terms of strength

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u/rivelio Jan 30 '21

I'm genuinely curious if the anime opening's flame gear 4 scene referred to this cause wow that was a long time ago

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u/StarthaMewart Jan 30 '21

It’s funnier to think that oda saw the scene and thought it was badass and stole it

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u/tutumaracas Jan 30 '21

I think next chapter we are going to see that Kidd was conducting Big Mom's lightning attack and is going to discharge the electricity all over Kaido.

(Before anyone come with some physics talk I know that the electricity would be discharged in the ground (since Kidd is grounded) but, whatever, this is a manga and it would be cool to see some electromagnetic manipulation by Kidd)

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u/SolidB0NY Pirate Jan 30 '21

Kidd is grounded but his metal... things don't have to be so we got that

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u/Letsvybmeatstix Jan 30 '21

Thanks. I have hope for kid now

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u/tutumaracas Jan 30 '21

It would also be cool if he could steal Napoleon from Big Mom's hand (evem if tempotarily) since he is made of metal!

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u/dratsabdeye4 Jan 30 '21

Unpopular opinion: I wish Kaido hadn't oneshot Luffy in their first battle. I get that it was done to show how powerful Kaido was, but now it's just gonna be ridiculous when Luffy inevitably tanks a bunch of hits from Kaido before defeating him.

If Kaido can oneshot Luffy he can oneshot basically everyone else on the rooftop, and we all know that ain't gonna happen.

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u/DaoLong Jan 31 '21

Are you downplaying the fact that he spent like 40 minutes training with that old dude in prison?

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u/Xx_Edge_xX Jan 31 '21

This is why I think the anime version of the fight is more accurate. Luffy took a couple of hits of dragon form Kaido and could even push Kaido to his knees in gear 4th but there's still a reasonably large gap in power. Whereas the manga makes it seem like we need another 2 year time skip before Luffy could even stand up to Kaido.

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u/Nguyen925 Jan 31 '21

I get from where you're coming from but Luffy spent a while training with the seastone cuffs. Then he trained even further with Hyogoro so he could finally master his use of Busoshoku Haki.

He's unlikely to defeat Kaido right now but he can definitely subdue him. Not sure how Oda is going to disengage Big Mom from this fight though but I'm down to watch!

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u/-FoeHammer Jan 30 '21

How would it be ridiculous? That's just how big of a difference there was in their armament Haki(and physical strength to a degree) before. Now Luffy has started to close the gap.

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u/DaoLong Jan 31 '21

It’s ridiculous because it took like 1 day to achieve. Just like the fight against Katakuri. Get pounded hard for hours, reminisce about a chat with Rayleigh, there, you can see the future now.

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u/-FoeHammer Jan 31 '21

I don't really see it that way.

It was the culmination of 2 years of training Haki with Rayleigh.

Rayleigh knows both of these advanced forms of Haki and was training Luffy in Haki. Yet Luffy did not know how to use advanced Haki after 2 years in the island.

Rayleigh gave him a strong foundation of basic Haki usage and surely gave him many lessons and clues meant to point him toward the more advanced applications of Haki. But he knew he couldn't get him there from training alone.

And now Luffy is just piecing everything he was taught together(and learning a bit more from Hyogoro), in the heat of real battle which is the ultimate teacher when it comes to Haki.

So yeah. To me this is the culmination of all of the work Luffy did beforehand being brought out through battle and hardship.

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u/Deathsyth220001 Jan 31 '21

He trained for like 2 weeks dude. And Luffy never just stops and trains, so it's significant. Kid trained a well.

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u/WYWHPFit Jan 31 '21

I feel like we easily forgot that Luffy went from struggling against Arlong to defeating Moria in a few weeks because the story irl span over decades. Luffy has consistently show to get stronger easily and now he has been training for two weeks, which is a lot for him. It can be annoying because sometimes it feels like there isn't a real challenge that he can't overcome but it is consistent with the story, no reason to be shocked.

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u/Emperor_Luffy Jan 30 '21

Luffy got knocked out because Kaido's club was special.

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u/Dr_Dankology Jan 30 '21

Luffy inevitably tanks a bunch of hits from Kaido before defeating him.

That is assuming Luffy defeats Kaido in this fight though. I think it isn't looking too good for the alliance, even the fact that Kaido went back to his dragon form and still has his hybrid form undisclosed is already bad news. It could be they get defeated or that the fight gets interrupted for whatever reason. As of right now (and maybe I am wrong at that) but it isn't looking too good for them to actually defeat both of them right now. These people can keep fighting for days and as of right now the story seems to almost be mimicking the way that the Scabbards fight went plus BM there.

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u/Lord_Cattington_IV Jan 31 '21

Pretty sure the race for one piece/Raftel starts very soon, and the phoneglyphs that will be gained/found/lost during this battle will trigger the disturbance that makes everyone have to leave.

Now the last major players in the race know eachother, and has personal stakes. Kaido(and?), Big mom, Strawhats, Heart Pirates, Kid Pirates, (shanks? Most likely not), and of course let's not forget the marines and Im, who most likely already have announced to the world they are going after "that". Which again prompted Black beard to go get "that" first.

Could also be it is the third and final weapon but i think the race for one piece starts after this battle arch.

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u/fredericktannz Cipher Pol Jan 30 '21

I agree with what most of the replies here. Kaido could've one-shot Luffy again if not for his future sight. And even so, luffy just barely survived. Most likely, as all strong attacks, Kaido's thunder bagua has negative effects to his dura/stamina, so he can't necessarily spam them with the same attack.

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u/ktulu0 Jan 30 '21

Oda has clearly established that the strength of a character’s haki is dependent on their emotional state. Luffy first attacked Kaido in a rage and wasn’t calm or focused. He let his guard down and acted like he was fighting someone who wasn’t a Yonko. So, not only did he act like a fool, his haki wouldn’t have been at its absolute strongest.

Meanwhile, on the roof, Luffy was both calm and focused. He was taking the fight much more seriously. Aside from having learned ryou in between battles with Kaido, he was able to use future sight to avoid a potential one shot attack. This is definitely a result of Luffy being calm, focused, and fully appreciating the threat Kaido poses.

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u/silfer_ Jan 31 '21

thats...... a really good point. it also explains the haki blooming concept. haki is essentially will that can take corporeal form. huh. well i'll be. maybe haki isn't as cut and dry boring as i thought.

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u/rivelio Jan 30 '21

Maybe the one shot was because luffy wasn't expecting that speed so he couldn't tank it? Idk that's my headcannon

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