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One Piece chapter 1002 spoilers Discussion

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u/Ambitious-Ebb5490 Feb 17 '21

This guy can explain very clear in the one piece check him out https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCEFthJ0qEGEIlBTzrUTPa4A/videos

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u/Lpebony Feb 05 '21

Always bugged me when people were trying to compare Luffy and zoro strenght.

Don't compare them as similar type of fighters They're very different.

Luffy does everything well, he has a good control over basically all the Hakis, is hella fast, durable.

Zoro isn't that fast, don't think has the same mastery on haki as luffy does, especially not in the observation department, but has lethal attacks, as you did see on this very chapter, if one of the yonka were to tank that attack, they'd be seriously injured.

They're just not the same type of fighters

Just see them as Luffy & zoro.

Luffy will still be a bit stronger than zoro, it's a shonen, he gets the protagonist treatement, but don't be fooled, zoro will always be a close second.

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u/Boiroy Feb 06 '21

Yes, just like Naruto and Sasuke, Goku and vegeta, and every other typical shounen protagonist and deuteragonist.

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u/Lpebony Feb 07 '21

Not really, those share the same fighting style. Ninjas and ki fighters.

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u/Chiiino34 Feb 01 '21

"!objection-bot"

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u/shadowdox425 Jan 31 '21

Kidd's starting to feel like Drax from Guardians of the Galaxy with all his big boy talk and attacks that don't do anything to the Yonko.

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u/No-Midnight7961 Jan 30 '21

Santoryu Oden Giri

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u/EastKing85 Jan 30 '21

I think now luffy is going to aim big mom in order to disable her lightning coz with her lightning around nobody can attack the yonkous properly except luffy. I doubt this is going to be luffy alone vs 2 yonkous. So zeus must go somehow. Maybe luffy destroy zeus with some new attacks or law teleport zeus somewhere else or maybe kid grounded all of zeus' charge with the help of some scrap metal and magnetism.

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u/KOPLO97 Jan 30 '21

Enma is looking like an Early Version of Gear 4th. Zoro looked somewhat drained after that "Flying Dragon Blaze" attack. Enma is pretty much an upgrade, like a Gear 4th tier upgrade.

I think even if he didn't have Enma he would eventually do those types of slash waves. But with having Enma, it makes it a lot easier to do them because of its specific curse. Enma is like a cheat code tbh lol.

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '21 edited Feb 24 '21

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u/KOPLO97 Feb 01 '21

What do you mean? Enma is a cursed sword that Oden wielded. It's the Curse that makes the Sword unique unlike the lower tier weapons. Therefore, in a sense it is a Power Up. It shoots out the users Ryou but if the person has good control over Ryou the user can choose to use how much Ryou

Luffy's Gear 4th gives him GREAT Brute Strength and goes Full Burst in Dark Hardening. But the difference between Zoro and Luffy now is that Luffy can use Advanced Armament Haki with Gear 4th. That's like having a Shotguns Shell upgraded to heavy armor piercing Shells. That's a Big difference

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u/shadowdox425 Jan 30 '21

Is it just me or is it starting to get clearer that only Luffy and Zoro are able to keep up with the 2 Yonkou

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u/Artallaudo Jan 30 '21

I see it more like a team: Luffy is like an offtank, dealing nice damage and tanking a lot. Zoro is the hypercarry, everyone is freaking scared of its attacks, but he has some nice abilities that allow him to stop fire, wind and physical attacks (still vulnerable to thunder). Law is the support, nothing more, he just teleports allies from danger to safety and allows them to move very fast around the yonkos. Kidd and killer have yet to clearly show their role in the battle, but both have a high chance of dying in this fight unless they show something extraordinary (maybe kidd awakens his fruit).

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u/1JustAnother1 Feb 04 '21

Both Trafalgar and Killer have the ability to do attacks on Kaido that surpass his durability by attacking his insides, the only flaw they really have is that they are not really that tough compared to the others in the fight. Traf-guy can teleport himself and others at a moment's notice, even his enemies, he has been doing a bit more than just support but he is not able to take hits which is his main flaw. Plus Killer actually was hurting Kaido a LOT until Big Mom got him off of Kaido's back, his attacks were at least stunning Kaido and making the Yonko scream in pain.

Kidd also has been able to manhandle Kaido, anytime Kidd has grabbed Kaido he has tossed him around, although it doesn't seem that he is really hurting him. Kidd also is able to take hits with him being able to regenerate his scrap body with no issues, also he is pretty tough.

Obviously, Luffy and Zoro are carrying the most weight this fight, but guys this is literally a fight against 2 Yonko, everyone involved deserves credit for not dying instantly LMAO

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u/EastKing85 Jan 30 '21

I bet zoro will get up earlier than the others who got electrocuted by big moms lightning bolt. I imagine he might say something like, this is nothing compared to the 20 million volts he endured from enel's attack back in skypiea, while fixing his bandana and his burning clothes. Whoaa badasss

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u/Chiiino34 Feb 01 '21

"!objection-bot"jg

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u/No_Wishbone380 Jan 31 '21

Uh zoro does have the best endurance there

so probably? lol

but i think they will get up at the same time

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u/Comprehensive-Yak843 Jan 30 '21

So u mean, enel lightning is stronger than big mom's lightning?

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u/EastKing85 Jan 30 '21

Yes definitely. Enel is electricity itself. He can increase/adjust the voltage of his attack. I doubt big mom can do that. I think big moms lightning voltage are somewhat constant in every attack, its advantage over enel is just that she can manipulate its direction.

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u/Comprehensive-Yak843 Jan 30 '21

That depends on how well enel can control his devil fruit, for example cracker, his power is a fvcking biscuits, and it took luffy's gear 4 to break that biscuit bcause of how well he can utilize his absurd devil fruit.

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u/Artallaudo Jan 30 '21

I would love a reference to enel, there are almost no references to skypiea after it.

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u/Sarcastic_Skeptic The Revolutionary Army Feb 01 '21

Maybe a cover story where it shows him noticing big moms unique lightning and he starts his journey to the new world

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u/EastKing85 Jan 30 '21

I would love that as well..

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u/shadowdox425 Jan 30 '21

Kidd's Bucket List: Suplex a Yonko. Check

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u/CORKscrewed21 Jan 30 '21

Luffy is gonna have to take on Big Mom while the others stall Kaido

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u/Vari3ty_Jones Jan 29 '21

Law using the same attacks that couldn't take doffy out against kaido is mad irritating. Is he forever going to be the odd one out in the supernova

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u/Calm-Safety3098 Jan 30 '21

Well Doffy Knows Law’s attacks and his fruit awakened so Doffy pretty much maneuvers his insides unlike a Zoan type which clearly set in stone on physical attributes...

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u/shadowdox425 Jan 30 '21

Each supernova is gradually using one stronger attack after another.

Law will show his next strong attack in next chapter. Pretty sure there is a reason why He's there.

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u/Artallaudo Jan 30 '21

Most of them have already shown new attacks, Law is the only one who hasn't shown anything new and it looks like he will just become "the support" in this battle.

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u/DocMinty Jan 29 '21

Kaidou can't stitch his organs back together like Doflamingo can.

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u/Artallaudo Jan 30 '21

All awaken zoans have great recovery from damage, as we already saw on impel down, Kaido has recieved high damage from the scabbards and looks already full recovered.

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u/DocMinty Jan 30 '21

We don't know if Kaidou is awakened and you can't recover from death. If Law successfully found where Kaidou's heart is and destroys it, will he grow a new heart?

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u/Artallaudo Feb 02 '21

I believe the only way to kill kaido is to cut his head off. My theory is that Luffy will defeat Kaido 1 time, Kaido will recover and Luffy will have to defeat Kaido again and ask Zoro to finish the job. It has been forwarded already with some references on cutting heads in Wano.

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u/smoulaali Jan 30 '21

Kaido is durable and maybe they have quick healing powers.

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u/DocMinty Jan 30 '21

Gamma knife bypasses durability. Healing doesn't matter if Law manages to hit a critical area like the heart. At least in theory.

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u/No_Wishbone380 Jan 31 '21

Yeah i think he didn't i think he hit something important tho maybe his kidneys or something because if he hit kaidos hard he would be dead.

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u/Uchiaboy7 Jan 29 '21

I think Luffy will unlock gear 5 in this battle because he will have to take on 2 yonkous at the same time and this fight will have to make him surpass his limits. It would be so cool if Blackbeard joined big mom and Kaido to fight against the new generation and Luffy realizes the cursed ring is Blackbeard is wearing is how he steals other's devil fruits and use it. Then Luffy steals the ring and uses the power of the devil fruits Blackbeard stole and use it against the three yonkou. It would also be nice if Luffy decides to keep the ring after defeating Blackbeard, Big mom and if he unlocks gear 5. I hope this comes true.

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u/hyire Jan 30 '21

i respect the vision

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u/beerdsman Jan 30 '21

Black beard is end game, we ain't gonna see him for a long while, and I think the cursed ring theory is B.S, gear 5 ain't happening here either, if ever.

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u/shadowdox425 Jan 30 '21

Wow. You basically want one piece to end in this arc without explaining what one piece is first.

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u/leftynueve Jan 30 '21

What drugs are you on

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u/Perovski99 Jan 31 '21

Everything

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u/_acheim Cipher Pol Jan 29 '21

It will be an amazing chapter and no break next week. Lets goo

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u/KOPLO97 Jan 29 '21

Man, after Wano the Supernovas that were on the rooftop will finally be able to beat 2nd in commanders and match up to 1st in commanders.

While Luffy should be strong enough to overcome an Admiral now. Especially since he'll have a Major Haki Increase after this War

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u/Artallaudo Jan 30 '21

I don't think everyone is making the same in the battle, Luffy and Zoro are the only ones that make attacks that put fear on the face of the yonkos. Law, Killer and Kidd are dealing minimum amounts of damage.

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u/KOPLO97 Jan 30 '21

I'm talking about after War. Haki Blooms no matter what, so they're gonna get a Haki Increase after this or even during War if they work hard for it.

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u/shadowdox425 Jan 30 '21

You sound like you're saying Admirals are stronger than Yonko lol.

If that was the case why couldn't the marines abolish the Yonko system with their 3 admirals and 1 fleet admiral.

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u/KOPLO97 Jan 30 '21

I never said Admirals are stronger LOL

Admirals are right below Yonko's and Luffy before fighting a Yonko was just a little bit under an Admiral because of the lack of Advanced Armament Haki. Fleet Admirals are the ones who could Stalemate a Yonko.

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u/A2001SH Jan 30 '21

What??? Wtf is this logic?? So basically you're saying that by defeating a yonko they become as strong as a 2nd commanders?

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u/KOPLO97 Jan 30 '21 edited Jan 30 '21

Wtf? HEEECCK YEAAHH! Obviously. Don't forget the basics, that Haki Blooms in heated battles for everyone. What Kidd, Killer, and Law are doing is pretty good.

Law could most likely beat Doffy after Wano in a 1v1 now.

Kidd can beat Queen and face King (stalemate, win, or lose possibility. We don't know his exact Full Power yet).

Killer can most likely face Queen.

Zoro can definitely beat King and Queen (not talking about beating them at the same time).

I'm not saying they wouldn't struggle in these fights. But they did just fight against 2 Actual BEAST. Whoever thinks we aren't gonna see them stronger after this Arc is just foolish.

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u/shadowdox425 Jan 30 '21

He meant they'll be able to take on 2nd commanders individually afterwards.

You wouldn't expect Killer to take on a Yonko after this right? Only 2nd commander more or less.

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u/A2001SH Jan 30 '21

Fair enough but I definitely think they'll be able to do more than that .

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u/jeva30 Jan 29 '21

Excited to see what luffy do once gear 4 wears out... He sure needs others help without haki

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u/KOPLO97 Jan 30 '21 edited Jan 30 '21

He has Future Seeing Haki now. So if he still doesn't have Full Control over Gear 4th right now, he can go out of it on time. He'll just have to dodge for a while after since he'll have to wait for his Armament Haki Stamina to Rise back up.

But if he does have Extremely Better Control over Gear 4th it's gonna be different then too. I could see that Advanced Armament Haki Control can increase the way Haki flows out of a persons body, not wasting the Aura that flows out which makes a person waste more Stamina. And since Gear 4th was at one point just an All Out Full Burst of Armament Haki without Actual Control of the Aura flowing out. But now that he does have Control over it, it might change the time limit.

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u/shadowdox425 Jan 30 '21

Isn't Red Roc that bashed Kaido's head a Gear 3rd attack?

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u/Traffy7 Jan 29 '21

Haki wears out after gear 4 .

If that happen Luffy is out . He can't anything without it .

Gear 4 time period has likely improved a lot .

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u/Artallaudo Jan 30 '21

I think luffy doesn't have any downside after using gear 4, just like he lost the downside of using gear 3 in the timeskip, we are probably very close to a new gear or awaken (or even both).

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u/jeva30 Jan 30 '21

Yeah gear 4 time period has increased but using gear 4 once wont be enough for kaido and BM

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u/myloxyloto10 Jan 29 '21

i'm getting tired of kaido shouting his lungs out! he's been shouting since his battle with scabbards. can he just stop acting and finish those supernovas off.?

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u/Comprehensive-Yak843 Jan 29 '21

He wants to see how strong they are, kaido already said it last chapter

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u/Cybrant Jan 29 '21 edited Jan 29 '21

Anyone else enjoy reading the summary spoilers, the longer summary, then the raw, and then the full? Let’s me enjoy it 4 times over😊

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u/venielsky22 Jan 29 '21

yep. these onepiece chapters are that good

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u/R0binO4 Jan 29 '21

Law is officially the setter for this game..

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u/Background-Crab-654 Jan 29 '21

Luffy is not using ryuo currently, he a smart fighter as we all know. I Think luffy knows that Zoans users can generate faster in their full form. So he’s annoying kaidou rn to push him out of his dragon form into his human form and then he can use ryuo infused attacks. I don’t think oda would have luffy use it and not emphasise it since it was made to be a big deal in chapter 1000.

Also I believe the battle is going to revolve around kaidou and zoro using enma in the upcoming chapters. Where kaidou would specifically target zoro and the others covering for him. Imagine If the others keep big mom busy and law keeps transporting zoro around kaidou so he can land hits. That would be hype

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u/starfish1306 Jan 29 '21

Looks like a framed Enel face from Big Mom.

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u/supralfonse Jan 29 '21

Kaido Hybrid hopefully next chapter

kaido hybrid

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u/BLAIZEKING Jan 29 '21

What if he doesn't use his hybrid cuz it do look like that 🤣

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u/PatGar25 Jan 29 '21

Everyone wanking Enma meanwhile Killer's Punishers literally just impaled Kaido damn this guy is full of surprises, definitely becoming a fan favorite in a few more chapters if not already

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u/Blubbstrahl Jan 29 '21

It was just a visual effect, Killer attacks Kaido with sound waves (Sonic Scythe). That's why he said he's going to attack him from within because the skin is too tough.

I mean Kaido would look like Moriah's neck if that attack was physical.

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u/PatGar25 Jan 29 '21

It still went through him, meanwhile Luffy Kidd and Zoro are still struggling trying to break a wall, Law and Killer are doing actual damage already

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u/Perovski99 Jan 30 '21

How is luffy struggling? All his attacks are making kaido bleed. luffy is in the lead. Also zoro missed mate.

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u/Artallaudo Jan 30 '21

Wtf? You already forgot Red Rock? You already forgot Big Mom asking Kaido to dodge Zoro cut? Law only useful acts have been the teleports of allies to defensive and offensive positions. Kidd and Killer have done nothing real, I think Killer will die in the next episode to apply drama to the battle and end act 3.

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u/havilah1989 Jan 29 '21

Lol lol lol lol lol lol this guy is funny

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u/Traffy7 Jan 29 '21

Is that guy serious ?

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u/venielsky22 Jan 29 '21 edited Jan 29 '21

Killer did the same with Law and Luffy damage kaido internally.

Zoro the only one that is trying to break through the wall and not bypass it, and judging from big mom and kaidos reaction to zoro's attack. That wall would have been broken if that attack hit

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u/PatGar25 Jan 29 '21

Kidd is also trying to break it, so far he's been the least impressive of the bunch, which is extremely disappointing

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u/venielsky22 Jan 29 '21

kid is not trying to break through the skin though.
His method is Squishing Kaido. that way he won't need to worry about the skin.
Like that Punk Vice.

That Gibson Slam very ineffective though.

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u/Boiroy Jan 29 '21

The moment when big mom warns kaido about zoro *_*

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u/Boiroy Jan 29 '21

What's wrong with Zoro using enma? a swordsman with no DF is supposed to fight yonko without a sword? haha

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u/No-Accident7384 Jan 29 '21

Who else think zoro one sword style, dragon... Was emotional about kiku losing a hand, because the same wind attack that zoro blocked with seriously face was what destroyed kiku's hand. Just a thought cause we know how strong emotional attack can be

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u/Artallaudo Jan 30 '21

It's the first time after the timeskip we see Zoro fighting seriously and everyone is fearing his attacks: - supernovas after he oneshoted appoo - queen after he destroyed his weapon from the distance - kaido and big mom At this point I'm starting to think Zoro is very close or even superior than Mihawk.

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u/Sarcastic_Skeptic The Revolutionary Army Feb 01 '21

NO, zoro is strong but not mihawk strong

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u/No-Accident7384 Jan 30 '21

Mihawk? Zoro is not there yet but we both can agree he is close, the reason been that we have not seen MH fight seriously and remember that most of his seen attacks are just slice without names lolx

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u/vanntty-light Jan 29 '21

I would have liked to see luffy use red hawk or roc to punch thru the fire breath

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u/Artallaudo Jan 30 '21

I kind of expected a reference to ace and sabo with something like: "fire won't damage me, it's like a brother to me"

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u/Hambobz Jan 29 '21

That scene where luffy tanks the boro breath is straight off the OP wano opening (over the top)..they really be spoiling everything or is Oda now copying the anime?

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u/Boxcar1177 Jan 29 '21

So you're trying to say Oda copies himself? C'mon? Maybe log off or give it a break when you start saying the creator of One Piece is copying from himself smh🤦🏼‍♂️

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u/Hambobz Jan 29 '21

Maybe do not speak just to feel important.

The anime is full of filler content Oda did not initially have in the Manga. The openings too.

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u/venielsky22 Jan 29 '21

Everybody gangster until Big mom brings out the Hindu Gods

Zoro: Hold my Ashura

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u/Artallaudo Jan 30 '21

Everyone thought about Zoro fighting Kaido and damaging it, but since Big Mom is Tankier and has a sword, it would be more epic if he damages Big Mom, the yonko who has never been damaged in battle.

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u/Comprehensive-Yak843 Jan 29 '21

No offense but he got fried by that hindu gods, i dont think ashura is gonna make a comeback this arc, maybe when he fighting for his goal(the strongest swordsman) in the future, that technique might comeback,

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u/Comprehensive-Yak843 Jan 29 '21

One thing i forgot, ashura is not his strongest technique, its the three thousand worlds, thats why he use it on mihawk and pica(because he is so big). I dont know why people fixated on that technique anyway, zoro has more cooler technique than that and hopefully we got a new technique though.

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u/brennanaba Jan 29 '21

Link for english translation here

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u/Cold-Manufacturer-68 Jan 29 '21

Next issue is, kaido now realize that Luffy punch power decreasing after getting the fire. Because rubber is weak to hot fire, it can melt. What if we can see Luffy melting. It's one of his rubber nature, rubber can melt.

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u/Cybrant Jan 29 '21

Or it vulcanizes it

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u/Kumomeme Jan 29 '21

knowing oda, i doubt there that much of details being put.

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u/alarmbot-out Jan 29 '21

enel all over again. xD

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u/Chiiino34 Jan 29 '21

i always hated how they animated Kong organ, then finaly in wano they animated kong organ perfectly in the first fight with kaido, it finally looked like a gattling gun version in gear 4

but can somebody tell me what this 'new' attack supposed to be at the end ?? whats the difference between kong organ en kong gattling gun? i would say the drawings tyle but the anime already adjusted the drawing style ? kong organ does not look the same in wano as in whole cake island

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u/EastKing85 Jan 29 '21

Theres no confirmation from oda,but in some debate online forums they explained kong organ actually luffy spawned new arms and thats why it looks like the actual "organ gun" in reality. Furthermore when animated, kong organ does not have that blurry fast line that looks detached from his body like gatling attack does. It seems steady and attached firmly to his body. Thats why i think kong gatling is actually considered new type of attack of gear 4th. Kong organ has 6 arms at the same time , kong gatling has 2 arms but superfast. Some might ask, how he does it if its true? Maybe he did it like how zoro conjure 3 replicas of himself with total of 9 sword style on the ashura ichibugin attack from his spirit. Or perhaps this is the perks of having an awakened df. Luffy can manipulate his body according to his will. Yes, some said luffy has actually awakened his df without him realizing it.

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u/Chiiino34 Jan 29 '21 edited Jan 29 '21

at the same time the animation for kong organ in the fight with kaido breaks that forums theory since there he did not spawn teh weird arms next to eachother but it was still called organ

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u/Chiiino34 Jan 29 '21

omg HELL no, luffy is not awakend nor is he a logia, he cannot ( at this point) spawn new arms, kong organ is just like gatling he is punching and retracting so fast that it looks like he spawend new arms but thats not the case, thats why i hated the art style of organ the arms should never have lined up next to each other the way they did,thats why i loved the kong organ animation when luffy fought kaido for the first time? they finally animated the kong organ the right way, but those same animations could now be apllied to kong gattling

at this moment i can only explain it as kong gatling focuses the punches in one place while organ is the OG gattling where he just punches everywhere as fast as possible

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u/EastKing85 Jan 29 '21

Its not impossible even if hes not logia. Like i said, zoro did it with his spirit, thats one way but dont rule out awakening just yet. We have yet to see an awakened rubber df. Rubber has many forms. In its early state before processing, rubber was a sticky and maleable semi solid material. Then after processing it can turn to being stretchy or hard. Depends on the process. So what if awakening of rubber df means unlocking all of the properties of rubber? Then its possible.

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u/Chiiino34 Jan 29 '21

i will only not rule out awakning for the future, but for the past and present luffy does not have awakening stop creating headcanon that litteraly denies the real cannon

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u/Chiiino34 Jan 29 '21

im not saying luffy will never be able to do that we dont know what his awakening or haki could do i dont believe he wil have an ashura thing like zoro but i cant deny it for 100% you are right on that
but im not speculating on the future im talking about past and present

im just saying its NOT the cas with organ bec making more arms would have been explained and leadto more attacks and just funny gags around luffy making more limbs

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u/EastKing85 Jan 29 '21

Well you are right there. The animation of kong organ against kaido is different from the animation of kong organ against cracker and against rayleigh..both animation against rayleigh and cracker supports the multiarm theory while the one against kaido did not.. Thats why i said this is debatable coz no confirmation from oda.

And if you are right, then probably the difference between kong organ and kong gatling is probably lies in their speed level and perhaps direction only.

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u/Chiiino34 Jan 29 '21 edited Jan 29 '21

i just cant agree with the thought that they say its 'debatable', NO the multi arm theory is NOT debatable, if luffy could spawn new arms that could never be something that would go unmentioned for 100 or more chapters or if it was true luffy would have more attacks whiLE mULTIPLYING limbs

the multiple arms is just a optic illusion , its not debatable if its an optic illusion its a fact... so the people who cary this theory with them are just reaching to hard

btw luffy organ against Kaido was filler if im not mistaken but i dont think that really changes anything, it was just different animator different art style, whole cake island had a closer animation to dragon ball super ( see kaido reveal) while wano kuni animation comes closer to dragon ball broly movie, more basic art style but much more frames per second , i think this made e key difference in finally drawing kong organ the right way even tho it was in a filler piece

in the end i think ill just have to wait for explanation

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u/Boxcar1177 Jan 29 '21

In the same breath . . . Who gives af besides you? I feel like you're in a room of people who are talking about something and you're in corner yelling about this trying to form an audience. #LIVEANDLETLIVE #ENJOYOP

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u/Chiiino34 Jan 29 '21

Lol , my bad if came of like that

But yes its me who gives a f, yes i would like to have other peoples view on it, yes i wil critique or be interested in the things others say,

An audience.. what for...?

Im just sharing my opinion when did i say you cant have yours? Arguing someone elses take on the matter does not = 'not letting someone live'

I care, if you dont, keepit movin 🤷🏽‍♂️

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u/Parkingjas Jan 29 '21

This gattling attack probably uses advanced CoA haki

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u/Chiiino34 Jan 29 '21 edited Jan 29 '21

nope he only used that on red roc first punch

i even think advanced is impossible/useless on gear fourth, i think gear 4 is too straining for advanced haki, thats why he'll only use it in combination with gear 3 and gear 2 for finishing moves

gear 4 makes his body more durable but advanced haki goes around the body and tries to penentrate the enemy without hitting him with real skinn, so gear 4 is atually a waste of haki when using advanced haki, why go gear 4 if luffy is trying to punch the enemy without actually touching them, it would be smarter to use the extra haki from gear 4 to penetrate kaido deeperwith advanced haki, instead of hardening muscles that wont touch kaido anyway bec of the haki shield around the fist(sentoumaru / wb vs roger clash)

remember, luffy is practicing punching without touching, so why go gear 4 when using advanced haki , it wil only be used on gear 3&2 for finishing moves

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u/Parkingjas Feb 03 '21

Luffy practiced advanced CoA against that piece of metal in Gear 4

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u/Chiiino34 Feb 03 '21

Yeah and in the anime, wich is taking the liberty to show more, luffy commented that it was too straining, have a feeling it was a hint at something new other then gear fourth

But chances il be wrong on this one

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u/Chiiino34 Feb 13 '21

Chances il be right on this one 😁

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u/No-Accident7384 Jan 29 '21

I like this comment, I remember someone poking luffy that zoro is now stronger than him because of the warning from BM which shows the level of that attack from zoro and that luffy has punch Kaido many times but it wasn't seen as a threat from the yonkos

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u/Chiiino34 Jan 29 '21

looool zoro stronger than luffy hahahahahahah

zoro an luffy were always very close to each other i even give zoro the edge in east blue

BUT, gear fourth is the explanation how luffy left zoro far behind, without gear 4 zoro an dluffy are equal but zoro has more lethal attacks

but gear fourth supasses zoro on every level pre wano
training with enma = training haki so in wano i think zoro caught up to gear fourth destructive power but not its speed and durability, but at the end of wano zoro will reach that level

BUT luffy end of wano will have grown even more

luffy and zoro were always on equal terms pre time skip, post time skip gear fourth was far above zoro. end of wano bec of zoro lethal destructive power he'll be able to tango with gear 4 but BY that time luffy wil jump to another level again , luffy has crazy grow spurts because of multiple reasons, while zoro trains and grows consistently/daily

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u/Calm-Safety3098 Jan 30 '21

I think another upgrade of Zoro would be the nodai kitetsu as a token of saving wano...i think his sword would sandai kitetsu would break or will be chipped and becomes wano’s treasure as well for killing/beating a dragon beside shusui...

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u/Chiiino34 Feb 01 '21

Im also eager to find out how Oda is going to bring that sword back in the story

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u/BearRough777 Jan 29 '21

Here is the English chapter link Link

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '21

Am I the only one wondering why the straw hat isn't burnt to a crisp yet?

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u/zone-zone Jan 29 '21

Same reason why clothes don't melt/burn

Oda said cloth physics are different in his world because he doesn't want his manga to get cancelled because of nudity

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u/Kumomeme Jan 29 '21

you the only one.

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u/blanknonymous Jan 29 '21

Haki🤷‍♂️

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u/Boxcar1177 Jan 29 '21

The hat pulls haki from Luffy like enma to Zoro lol

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u/Iswit_real Jan 29 '21

Ready for Zoro using Over Soul with Oden's spirit?

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u/Kumomeme Jan 29 '21

kaidou fire boro breath

Kaidou : "Wha...!? Fire isn't effective either? is this a trick?"

Luffy : "Nanomachines Son!"

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '21

LOL I understood that one

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u/Thegoathasreturned1 Jan 29 '21

Zoro haters

Luffy gets devil fruit: I sleep

Law gets devil fruit: I sleep

Kidd gets devil fruit: I sleep

Zoro gets enma: zOrO iS gEtTiNg cArRiEd By EnMa

me: 😐🤦‍♂️

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u/Helzod Feb 04 '21

so were just going to act like zoro fans havent been constantly saying sanji's getting carried by his raid suit for the past few weeks? people who like zoro way too much are super toxic and then when it gets put back on them they wail and cry foul and suddenly its everyone else who is toxic

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u/Thegoathasreturned1 Feb 04 '21

Oda already confirmed that enma is just a tool that forces zoro to bring out his own strength https://twitter.com/RyomenKing/status/1356957639398330368?s=20

Also I don't know about the sanji stuff because I just got caught up with one piece not so long ago.

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u/Kumomeme Jan 29 '21

nobody haters here. people just get annoyed thats all. i see some Zoro fanboys react too much to the point that they might forgot who is the main character is. also they tend to carried away and misunderstood the context.

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u/zone-zone Jan 29 '21

Does that mean people react to much to the god ussop scene because they forget who the main character is?

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u/Kumomeme Jan 30 '21

thats totally different. that just a joke. people react because it become meme.

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u/Thegoathasreturned1 Jan 29 '21

People are definitely hating if they say zoro is getting carried by enma but ignore luffy law and kidd getting carried by their devil fruits

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u/PatGar25 Jan 29 '21

Everybody is carried by something, it's just that zoro fans have been staning for Enma not being a powerup and it all being Zoro's own ability but with each passing chapter it's more and more obvious that that is not the case, Enma is playing a decisive role in Zoro being able to fight Kaido, but zoro fans just don't want to see it and start the usual neverending wank, now bc the chapters are confirming that Enma is indeed a powerup they've now changed their narrative and went full overdefensive mode using this same argument you mentioned, it's hypocritical of them and they also ruin the vibe with their repeated wank which is why mods have to come a delete comments and whatnot

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u/Kumomeme Jan 29 '21 edited Jan 29 '21

depend on how they view things. not necessary mean they are 'haters'. for me enma didnt carried zoro. he utilize the sword. but the scene where big mom and kaidou fear the attack is clearly due to they sense the sword. big mom clearly shout mention that is not 'ordinary' sword. clearly he refer to the sword not zoro. dont misunderstood. nobody downplay nobody. it just, you know, it just storywise that it is important to highlight the sword existance at the moment that sword is not ordinary sword that is belong to oden. you know how oden being feared by kaidou. later we might get a scene where kaidou acknowledge that zoro worthy weilding that sword. he still learning though. he wont suddenly mastered Oden's sword in overnight. that thing belong to one of gold roger rightman after rayleigh. like big mom said, thats not ordinary sword.

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u/No-Accident7384 Jan 29 '21

But it's not like BM has been attacked b4 with Emma, so y warn Kaido about the sword, my taught is that she could also see the future like her son and that y she knew what will happen if Kaido had taken the attack from ZORO head-on

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u/Kumomeme Jan 29 '21

maybe she just can sense the aura. she has observation haki. or just veteran instinct.

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u/Saintd64 Jan 29 '21

It seems people can't comprehend. Zoro is not using Oden's haki nor his abilities. He's using his own haki output with his own techniques added with Enma's destructive power. Enma behaves like a cursed sword. Cuts deeper than intended. Acts on it own. This was already explained. Of course Kaido would recognize Enma's destructive power when it's being put to full use. It gave him a SCAR lol

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u/PatGar25 Jan 29 '21

Not so sure about that, as Kaido literally said the sword was emanating Oden's spirit

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u/Kumomeme Jan 29 '21

yes. that sword surely has its unique aura. no sword is same.

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u/Kumomeme Jan 29 '21

as expected..among those 5, Luffy is different. he hold better against Kaidou and Big Mom

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u/Comprehensive-Yak843 Jan 30 '21

He got superior haki, he got better mastery over his devil fruit compare to law(stamina problem) and kid (he only know how to smash kaido with junks), arguably have a better durability thanks to rubber skin, future sight, advance armament, i think his title the fifth empror is not an exaggeration anymore

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u/Kumomeme Jan 31 '21

yes. among those 5, he also only the one managed to take down sichibukai and yonkou commander. not to mention he only one that has over 1b bounty.

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u/Comprehensive-Yak843 Jan 29 '21

Is it me or luffy and the others completely ignoring big mom, its like big mom getting friendzoned by the new generation.

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u/Kumomeme Jan 29 '21

well Big Mom is kind of side boss there. Kaidou is the main one.

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u/Comprehensive-Yak843 Jan 29 '21

Imagine being one of the four strongest pirates and still treated as a second fiddle by some baby pirates(age wise)

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u/Charles-D-Arwin Pirate Jan 29 '21

yees! :D :D

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u/Thegoathasreturned1 Jan 29 '21

He tried to attack big mom but kaido stopped it

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u/Ragin__Bajan Jan 29 '21

Sanji fans are on tilt right now

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u/Helzod Feb 04 '21

lol lies all i see are zoro stans defending enma to literally nobody and getting hyper defensive after brushing off sanjis new powers from the raid suit just a few weeks ago. I think we sometimes forget that sanji stans are not nearly as insecure as the zoro ones.

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u/zone-zone Jan 29 '21

as they should be

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u/Thegoathasreturned1 Jan 29 '21

They on full defense right now lol they read spoilers and assumed big mom was only talking about enma

Now they found out that she was also talking about zoro damn that's tough to take in

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u/PatGar25 Jan 29 '21

But BM literally only talked about the sword

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u/Traffy7 Jan 29 '21

She literally said Kaido dodge the attack that Zoro made .

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u/Thegoathasreturned1 Jan 29 '21

She literally said you underestimated zoro

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u/krielles Jan 29 '21

It's only because fanboys like you are creating arguments over characters who definitely has different fighting style.

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u/Thegoathasreturned1 Jan 29 '21

I don't create shit

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u/_c_h_i_d_i_ Jan 29 '21

AMAZING CHAPTER!! Zoro and Luffy holding the dub for this one. And I Love how Oda shows Zoro how tired he is after using Enma and imbuing it with stronger Haki. This shows that he's not fully ready to use more of it's power like he wanted to last chapter. And then the callback to Luffy's imperviousness to lighting felt so rewarding

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u/Kumomeme Jan 29 '21

yes. he still learning to mastered the sword and he wont able to do that overnight.

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u/Saintd64 Jan 29 '21

He was using technique after technique. But Zoro is NOWHERE close to done.

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u/DJ_S31 Jan 29 '21

Man why do the mods not put the link when English scans already out minutes ago

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u/Meriluslff1989 Jan 29 '21

I have been pissed about alot of one piece manga things this arc but man oh man this chapter was entertaining. Law was hilarious zoro being badass and luffy telling Linkin im made of rubber lmaoooooo

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u/ludbaaaaa Jan 29 '21

Guys, go to TCBScans on twitter and he linked 1002 its ready

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u/ShivSharma2 Jan 29 '21

On Debate of zoro vs killer(kamazo) IN THE SAME CHAPTER After seeing killer's sonic sheath---- People: result would have been different After seeing zoro's attack---- Same people: result would have been the same. Genuinely impressed by both of them.

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u/fredericktannz Cipher Pol Jan 29 '21

Two Yonkos vs 5 Worst Gen and the will of Oden. Seems like a great match so far. :)

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u/tinyluffy Pirate Jan 29 '21

Does this mean luffys gonna be by himself next chapter?

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u/Kumomeme Jan 29 '21

i believe thats how it gonna be since beginning.

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u/KOPLO97 Jan 29 '21

It didn't show that Kidd was hit hard so he might try to get a sneak attack on one of them

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u/tinyluffy Pirate Jan 29 '21

Big mom's lightning homie snuck up and appeared right in front of him

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u/samyak_fule Jan 29 '21

I think they will all get up again.. that's not enough to knock down the supernovas.

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u/captblackfang Jan 29 '21

I feel a supernova combo attack coming.

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u/heavy4b Jan 29 '21

So Luffy armament Hakied his strawhat and his dress while defending the dragon fire?

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u/Kumomeme Jan 29 '21

like Oda used to said...he purposely dont want dwell too much on details. it kill immersion. so no need to bother that stuff.

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u/Ayabrizim Jan 29 '21

Stop being petty

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u/AllerdingsUR Jan 29 '21

I know you're just being nitpicky but to be fair it's well established you can pour your haki into an object you're touching

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u/jairomania Jan 29 '21

How did big mom got a lot of children? Is it because of her fruit or the natural way?

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u/Kumomeme Jan 29 '21

you underestimate her ma ma ma ma

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u/jairomania Feb 04 '21

HOW?

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u/Kumomeme Feb 05 '21

ask zeus ma ma ma ma

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u/jairomania Feb 05 '21

That makes sense. Zeus had many children too. Could it be? OMG! Is that why they say Nami will be the next BM because Zeus likes her?

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u/Kumomeme Feb 05 '21

LMAO hahaha

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u/Perovski99 Jan 29 '21

Why would it be her fruit?

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u/jairomania Feb 04 '21

I am just thinking ifs she just passed the souls with them and they became her children..

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